Bohemian Rap City: Movies Thread

[mookie1995]

Yup, I knew that. Just saying it because mookie looked more confused than his average post lets on.

Mookie is very glad to claim he has no knowledge of transformers tv show

 

[The Rube]

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Mookie is very glad to claim he has no knowledge of transformers tv show

The cartoon was awesome. The movie? Notsomuch.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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The cartoon was awesome. The movie? Notsomuch.

Random Fact of the night: The Transformer's cartoon movie was Orson Wells' last work.

 

[Slap Shot]

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The Predator. What a completely disjointed hot mess of a movie. Just brutal. To bad because they had a decent cast.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Alright...now my more in depth reaction to Fantastic Beasts 2: The Crimes of Johnny Depp's Acting. I will hide anything spoilery. Note: I am not a Harry Potter fan. I love FB1 but have seen about 20 minutes of all the HP films. My gf is a huge Potter nerd (seen all the movies 200 times, read the books...etc.) and her opinions were almost identical to mine. And before you say anything, she would sooner cut off a finger than agree with me if she has a choice

First of all the big problem is the story really serves no purpose. It is a long meandering movie that is supposed to be the bridge between FB1 (which I loved) and the climax which will be FB3. (note: supposedly they have signed to do up to FB5...no way this storyline can las that long) It is the Two Towers in this trilogy. That puts it at a disadvantage from the get go. It is going to be a lot of set up and exposition and probably have little pay off since all of the big parts will have to be in part 3. They kind of try and make it more like Empire in that there is a conflict at the end to at least give resolution to part of the story...but it is weak and underdone and in reality didnt really pay it off. Hell the movie is called The Crimes of Grindewald and honestly I am not sure what they are. I mean yeah he takes a families house and kills them but outside of that all he did was escape from prison whilst in transport. And in reality no one even seems to care because 3 months later he is walking around Paris and no one stops him. Hell the Ministries know he is going to have a rally of his followers and they dont do anything to stop it or him outside fighting amongst themselves. They are more proactive trying to stop Newt from travelling than they are about stopping Grindewald...though they say his name in evil ways to try and make you think he is a bad dude!

As an offshoot of this lack of interesting story the characters almost all are weakened because of it. In fact, outside of Newt and Dumbledore none of the characters really grow in any way, or do anything overtly interesting. Most of them take massive steps back and become boring and uninteresting. Some of them become downright stupid. Queeny went from charming and quirky to annoying and stupid by the end of the film. This ruins the Jacob character who was one of my favorite parts of the first film because he spends half the movie chasing after her upset and pouting. Leta Lestrange was just a waste of a character. To the point that when she dies, something that was built up to as a major plot point, it had no emotional heft or value. It just sort of happens and eh its done. This disappointed my gf quite a bit as was Credence whose story was so mindnumbingly boring and overwrought I really hoped he would die. His plotline was beaten over your head so much you would think it was a Christopher Nolan film The twist on who he really is at the very end was kind of cool, but they spent so much time on the bait and switch it just didnt pay off like it should Every Wizard in the Ministry looks incompetent much on the level of the Jedi in the Prequels. The only characters that move forward at all are Newt, Dumbledore and Grindewald which brings me to the real reason this movie was a downgrade...

JOHNNY DEPP SUCKS! Whatever this dude had back in the day is completely lost now. His acting in this film is mediocre at best and he honestly he spends most of it mailing it in. He is neither foreboding or devious and even in the moments when he is doing something somewhat evil he comes off as weak and lame. Part of that is on Depp who wasnt even trying, but a lot of that was on the story itself. Grindewald pontificates like a Bond Villain but is about as interesting as King Tut on the old Batman TV Series. The movie sets him up as sort of the Magical World version of Hitler but he has no charisma and he strikes almost no fear. Even when the "heroes" encounter him they dont seem too scared, they are just sort of there and it just sort of happens. Then he gives his Patton/Hitler style speech which is uninspiring as written and flat as acted so the whole climax to the film falls apart. Honestly the only interesting thing about Grindewald at all is his relationship to Dumbledore but even that wasnt developed enough. THAT should have been the crux of the story, instead it was one of like 4 storylines that run concurrently and just get in each others way. Since Depp puts in no effort and the story doesnt build Grindewald at all the main villain is just some well dressed guy with spikey hair and miscolored eye who talks monotone and does very little. When the villain sucks, the movie has major issues. Honestly, I think Colin Farrell would have been a better Grindewald...

There are parts of the film that are fun. The beasts of course are great when they show up and Newt is still fun as heck. He is just missing Jacob his partner in crime. The set pieces are great as well. The story just was incomplete.

My girlfriend and I saw it this afternoon. We both thought it was good. I didn’t think it captured the spark of the first one. She was excited to see the characters and iconography. I think she was able to ignore most of the crummy parts of the movie because she’s a big Harry Potter nerd.

I think it’s worth seeing if you like the series.

And for the record, Johnny Depp has always sucked. I can’t think of a single movie of his I would need to see.

 

[The Rube]

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My girlfriend and I saw it this afternoon. We both thought it was good. I didn’t think it captured the spark of the first one. She was excited to see the characters and iconography. I think she was able to ignore most of the crummy parts of the movie because she’s a big Harry Potter nerd.

I think it’s worth seeing if you like the series.

And for the record, Johnny Depp has always sucked. I can’t think of a single movie of his I would need to see.

Donnie Brasco. The first Pirates movie was decent.

 

[Handyman]

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Early in his career he was very good. Whats Eating Gilbert Grape and Edward Scissorhands to name a couple. Donnie Brasco and Blow as well. (although Blow is an overrated film he is quite good in it) Ever since he and Tim Burton went off the deep end together though it has been a steep decline. I mean he made a movie about Dillinger boring which is pretty sad.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Early in his career he was very good. Whats Eating Gilbert Grape and Edward Scissorhands to name a couple. Donnie Brasco and Blow as well. (although Blow is an overrated film he is quite good in it) Ever since he and Tim Burton went off the deep end together though it has been a steep decline. I mean he made a movie about Dillinger boring which is pretty sad.

Ever since he and Burton and Bonham Carter remade Sweeney Todd, it's been all downhill for him.

 

[Handyman]

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Ever since he and Burton and Bonham Carter remade Sweeney Todd, it's been all downhill for him.

I would say it goes back to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...but yeah.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Early in his career he was very good. Whats Eating Gilbert Grape and Edward Scissorhands to name a couple. Donnie Brasco and Blow as well. (although Blow is an overrated film he is quite good in it) Ever since he and Tim Burton went off the deep end together though it has been a steep decline. I mean he made a movie about Dillinger boring which is pretty sad.

Fair enough. I think the pirates movies were the end of his career. I hated those movies. Actually I hated the first and never had any interest in the rest.

My general rule of thumb is that if Depp wears eye liner or eye shadow, it’s going to suck.

 

[The Rube]

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I would say it goes back to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...but yeah.

I liked Charlie, but it wasn't outstanding. Forgot about Blow, and yeah, that was an overrated movie. Same with that last chapter in the Desperado "trilogy." He was good in it, but the movie wasn't that great.

Public Enemies was ok, but it was hyped too much. He did have a classic line in there, though, I dare say HOF worthy (as in top 100):
John Dillinger: I was raised on a farm in Mooresville, Indiana. My mama died when I was three, my daddy beat the hell out of me cause he didn't know no better way to raise me. I like baseball, movies, good clothes, fast cars, whiskey, and you... what else you need to know?

He just has a LOT of "meh" movies.

 

[solovsfett]

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Wifey asked me to watch Harry Potter so...in two weeks I watched all 8. Whomever told me these were Star Wars for the younger generation must have been high.

1-4 were childish and almost comedic, however 5-8 I really enjoyed.
Too bad Gary Oldman didn’t play a larger role he was great as usual. And Alan Rickman? I love Snape!

Maybe I need to read the books, as a newby I thought there was a helll of a lot of unexplained or underexplained characters. I mean, maybe I missed it but just what was Tom Riddle’s motivation? That character made prequel Anakin look good and don’t get me started on that one!!!!

Sounds like FB 1 was good but the new one is meh?

 

[The Rube]

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The Most Assassinated Woman In The World:

French movie, set in 1930s Paris, where an actress who is renowned for her on-stage deaths is being stalked and also haunted by her past. It's okay, a bit artsy-fartsy for me, but not obnoxiously so. The acting is really good, the style....eh. It IS French, so it should be expected. Give it a gander, if you want to take a chance on a movie.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Wifey asked me to watch Harry Potter so...in two weeks I watched all 8. Whomever told me these were Star Wars for the younger generation must have been high.

1-4 were childish and almost comedic, however 5-8 I really enjoyed.
Too bad Gary Oldman didn’t play a larger role he was great as usual. And Alan Rickman? I love Snape!

Maybe I need to read the books, as a newby I thought there was a helll of a lot of unexplained or underexplained characters. I mean, maybe I missed it but just what was Tom Riddle’s motivation? That character made prequel Anakin look good and don’t get me started on that one!!!!

Sounds like FB 1 was good but the new one is meh?

They're children's books.

Tom Riddle's motivation is he's Evil. Pure, simple, and timeless.

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

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Wifey asked me to watch Harry Potter so...in two weeks I watched all 8. Whomever told me these were Star Wars for the younger generation must have been high.

1-4 were childish and almost comedic, however 5-8 I really enjoyed.
Too bad Gary Oldman didn’t play a larger role he was great as usual. And Alan Rickman? I love Snape!

Maybe I need to read the books, as a newby I thought there was a helll of a lot of unexplained or underexplained characters. I mean, maybe I missed it but just what was Tom Riddle’s motivation? That character made prequel Anakin look good and don’t get me started on that one!!!!

Sounds like FB 1 was good but the new one is meh?

There is a lot more information in the books. Riddle's motivation is that he's raised an orphan and is an outcast for being different. He doesn't fit in anywhere, and blames the muggle world that he was brought up in. When he's older he kills his muggle father who never loved his witch mom (mom was infatuated with Tom Riddle Sr. and bewitched him, killing herself when she realized he'd never love her). Other than that, power. In real life isn't power the motivation for most villains?

I love the Harry Potter books and enjoy the movies. I would never say they are an equivalent to Star Wars. The target audience age for Harry Potter is younger: kids books and kids movies. I have a hard time watching the first couple of HP movies as the child actors age shows in their acting ability.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I didn't see FB1, didn't see a single Potter movie after the 1st, and I don't think I've read a book from the genre since I read Tolkien in junior high. That's not meant to be snarky just laying down some perspective, but I clearly didn't mind Depp nor the totality of FB2 as much as many here clearly did. Perhaps it was having no preconceptions that helped but I just sat back and enjoyed the 3D effects, Jude Law, Zoe Kravitz, Dan Fogler, Eddie Redmayne and others. There were a few plot holes imho including the story around Credence, the relationships between Newt/Leta/Theseus weren't fleshed out well enough , Queenie changing ranks so easily and I thought the blood pact was lame, but it wasn't enough to kill it for me.

 

[solovsfett]

There is a lot more information in the books. Riddle's motivation is that he's raised an orphan and is an outcast for being different. He doesn't fit in anywhere, and blames the muggle world that he was brought up in. When he's older he kills his muggle father who never loved his witch mom (mom was infatuated with Tom Riddle Sr. and bewitched him, killing herself when she realized he'd never love her). Other than that, power. In real life isn't power the motivation for most villains?

I love the Harry Potter books and enjoy the movies. I would never say they are an equivalent to Star Wars. The target audience age for Harry Potter is younger: kids books and kids movies. I have a hard time watching the first couple of HP movies as the child actors age shows in their acting ability.

This is helpful, thanks!
I probably should have read the books.

 

[St. Clown]

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They're children's books.

Tom Riddle's motivation is he's Evil. Pure, simple, and timeless.

Yes, they are children's books, but they turn much more serious in their themes at the end of book 4 and then for the remainder of the series. They still tell the tale of a child who's still on 17 when the final book concludes, but the final few books don't really have much of the same tone at all as the first few.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yes, they are children's books, but they turn much more serious in their themes at the end of book 4 and then for the remainder of the series. They still tell the tale of a child who's still on 17 when the final book concludes, but the final few books don't really have much of the same tone at all as the first few.

I've read the books. If she had started with the same tone then she could not have stretched the series out for 7 books. Pretty sure I read somewhere at some time that the word and definition of a horcrux was in book two in the first couple of drafts but she smartly pulled it because it was giving too much away too soon. The tone changes because as you go further and further along it becomes more and more clear that either Harry or Voldemort has to die.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Yes, they are children's books, but they turn much more serious in their themes at the end of book 4 and then for the remainder of the series. They still tell the tale of a child who's still on 17 when the final book concludes, but the final few books don't really have much of the same tone at all as the first few.

The 7th book is pretty *ing dark, a lot of stuff happening in that one.