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Twitch Boy said:
How could you forget Miami? They are a dynasty, after all :p
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Under the proposal, they're part of the "Anti-Big10." Them and Notre Dame.


Not even the GLIAC could save them, as only four of the abandoned teams are part of the 14 team GLIAC. And I doubt Wayne State would feel sorry for them.
 
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aparch said:
The Big10 is going to beat itself up. Half those teams will have a sub .500 record. This will be the biggest test to see just how well the pairwise works.
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The BT will likely ask the NCAA to make sure sub .500 teams are tourney eligible and for them to receive 3 or 4 tourney teams every year.
 
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aparch said:
I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen. It's just what happens once Penn State is in the CCHA for a couple years? Then what?


Here's a random thought. If PSU joins the CCHA, would the WCHA trade MTU for tOSU? tOSU is already a Women's WCHA member school...

Split the Big10 schools in both the WCHA and CCHA 50/50?

If the Big10 schools are so hellbent on getting their own conference, a 20 game schedule would be pretty good for them. AND then have them play eight guaranteed Non-Conference games against CCHA/WCHA opponents respectively. Let them get up to the same 28 games as the WCHA and CCHA currently has (count those games against the CCHA/WCHA?). Then, the Big10 schools are still free to schedule their six non-conference "whatever" games against whoever they want. Eight non-conference games if they play Alaska or Anchorage in the eight "associate league" games.
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I would have to think that BGSU and Miami would be mad as heck with OSU going west, OSU is a pretty big meal ticket game for them.
 
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All this being said, I don't think that it is certainty that the Big Ten teams leave their current conferences. Once they see the carnage their departures create for very little extra money, they may not go for it.

College hockey is a pretty small fraternity and the animosity that all this would create might not be worth it for the Big Ten Schools.

There could also be political ramifications in Minnesota and Michigan where four Minnesota schools and five Michigan schools would be adversely affected. And how is the Minnesota Legislate going to like pumping dollars into Duluth, Bemidji and St. Cloud's arenas only to have the Gophers bail on the conference?
 
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4four4 said:
The BT will likely ask the NCAA to make sure sub .500 teams are tourney eligible and for them to receive 3 or 4 tourney teams every year.
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I thought the NCAA quickly stopped this once a Big10 member school DID abuse the rule and got into the tourney over better record teams (thanks to their strength of schedule in the WCHA)? ;)
 
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I seriously think that if it happens, the only option the remaining schools have is to stand strong and refuse to schedule any big 10 teams non-conference. It is the only way that this doesn't destroy college hockey. It will be tough to lose those rivalries, but the only other option is a slow death.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I seriously think that if it happens, the only option the remaining schools have is to stand strong and refuse to schedule any big 10 teams non-conference. It is the only way that this doesn't destroy college hockey. It will be tough to lose those rivalries, but the only other option is a slow death.
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That would be ironic, DU refusing to play Minnesota ;) :D :rolleyes:
 
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4four4 said:
The BT will likely ask the NCAA to make sure sub .500 teams are tourney eligible and for them to receive 3 or 4 tourney teams every year.
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While they're at it, the BTHC might as well ask for sub .250 teams to be tourney eligible and for the conference to receive 6 tourney teams every year.

du78 said:
That would be ironic, DU refusing to play Minnesota ;) :D :rolleyes:
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:D
 
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dggoddard said:
All this being said, I don't think that it is certainty that the Big Ten teams leave their current conferences. Once they see the carnage their departures create for very little extra money, they may not go for it.

College hockey is a pretty small fraternity and the animosity that all this would create might not be worth it for the Big Ten Schools.

There could also be political ramifications in Minnesota and Michigan where four Minnesota schools and five Michigan schools would be adversely affected. And how is the Minnesota Legislate going to like pumping dollars into Duluth, Bemidji and St. Cloud's arenas only to have the Gophers bail on the conference?
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That is an excellent point. I think you, or someone else on this board made a similar observation about the Texas legislature and the protection of non-University of Texas teams back when the Longhorns were being courted by the Pac-10. Whether that turned out to be the deciding factor, Texas didn't jump ship.

Also, you know that at a minimum the Big 10 championship will be shared between The X and The Joe. Neither Michigan nor Minnesota will allow the other to be the perpetual host, like the current situation, which has been pretty sweet for both.

However, in the end it will come down to what the Big 10 as a conference dictates, probably, and that will likely mean the hockey schools from the Big 10 forming their own conference.
 
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dggoddard said:
All this being said, I don't think that it is certainty that the Big Ten teams leave their current conferences. Once they see the carnage their departures create for very little extra money, they may not go for it.

College hockey is a pretty small fraternity and the animosity that all this would create might not be worth it for the Big Ten Schools.

There could also be political ramifications in Minnesota and Michigan where four Minnesota schools and five Michigan schools would be adversely affected. And how is the Minnesota Legislate going to like pumping dollars into Duluth, Bemidji and St. Cloud's arenas only to have the Gophers bail on the conference?
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Might be on to something there. Duluth, Bemidji, St. Cloud, and Mankato might not have enough pull, but they just might have enough around somewhere if they get on the ball here to try to keep it so that UMTC can't leave them behind in a conference. UND might not exactly be a Minnesota school, but I would think that they would have some support that they could help throw their weight behind the Other Minnesota schools. Whats good for them would be good for UND.

MTU, NMU, LSSU, FSU and WMU probably don't have enough pull, but if they can raise enough noise, they can at least make it difficult for Michigan and Michigan State to leave for a BTHC. Could also make some argument about having UM and MSU staying in state, it keeps that money that their fans would spend to travel to games in state. Combine that with Minnesota being held at gunpoint to stay out of a full fledged BTHC, a more modified deal where they play often, but within the confines of the WCHA and CCHA.

BGSU and Miami alums could also do well if they can get their state legislature to chain them to OSU as well. Would make for an excellent start on another conference centered around Ohio and PSU.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Might be on to something there. Duluth, Bemidji, St. Cloud, and Mankato might not have enough pull, but they just might have enough around somewhere if they get on the ball here to try to keep it so that UMTC can't leave them behind in a conference. UND might not exactly be a Minnesota school, but I would think that they would have some support that they could help throw their weight behind the Other Minnesota schools. Whats good for them would be good for UND.
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The problem with that angle is that UND is going D1 in all sports, so there may not be the benefits of staying with the other Minnesota schools over time. UND would probably rather chase after ND, Michigan, Miami, DU, etc. in hockey, and other sports, than hang with the Minnesota D2 schools. Money will ultimately be driving most schools' decisions.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't any B10 conference tourney be in Chicago at the United Center. Neutral location and all the schools have large alumni bases there. Don't see why they wouldn't agree to that.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't any B10 conference tourney be in Chicago at the United Center. Neutral location and all the schools have large alumni bases there. Don't see why they wouldn't agree to that.
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They'll go wherever makes them the most $$$$$$.
 
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There is no question there would be intense lobbying for the Big 10 hockey tournament. You know St. Paul and Detroit would lobby hard to get it. Chicago is a neutral spot.

If they don't do it in a place like Chicago, then you also know you're going to get OSU wanting to host, Wisconsin wanting to host, etc...

If you just put it in Chicago it would be a pretty big blow to a city like St. Paul.
 
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