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God I hope you're right. Unfortunately it sounds like Barry Alvarez really desires this and I can only hope the rest of the AD's at Minn, MSU, OSU, UM feel differently.

this would screw DU, CC, Nodak, SCSU, UMD, Northern, Miami, etc. and I'd rather see wisconsin play UMD, Nodak, CC, DU, SCSU any day of the week then to see effen MSU, OSU and Michigan in the same conference with UW and Minnesota.
I'm pretty sure that Gene Smith at OSU is with Barry Alvarez because they want more access to Minnesota and Wisconsin.
 
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I'm not convinced a BTHC is immediately on the horizon. Call me stubborn I suppose.

I going to read between the lines just a little. I think there will be a BTHC as soon as they can put it together.


The Big Ten Conference is excited about Penn State’s recent announcement regarding the establishment of NCAA Division I men’s and women’s ice hockey programs set to begin competition in the 2012-13 academic year. Our institutions have longstanding relationships with Division I, Division II, and Division III college hockey programs that have benefitted both our institutions and the entire national hockey community.

For many years, we have had five institutions sponsoring Division I men’s ice hockey programs – Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. Big Ten rules allow for a championship whenever there are six institutions sponsoring a program in any given sport. This leads to the presumption that there will be a Big Ten Men’s Ice Hockey Championship at some point in the future. A decision of that nature, however, cannot be made without a significant amount of discussion both internally with conference chancellors, presidents, administrators and coaches, and externally with the hockey community as a whole. Whatever we do, we will communicate in a respectful and responsible way as we endeavor to balance all of the unique interests in play.

We congratulate Penn State and wish them well as they continue to provide the most broad-based opportunities possible for their student-athletes.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Gene Smith at OSU is with Barry Alvarez because they want more access to Minnesota and Wisconsin.

ugh.

I guess I may have to live with the fact that the BTHC is inevitable but I honestly don't see how they're going to sell me or most Wisconsin fans on the idea that OSU, MSU, Michigan, Penn State over Denver, North Dakota and CC is a worthwhile long-term endeavor.

add to that you can only have so many teams at the top and I'd venture a guess that Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan would be tops and OSU, MSU, and Penn State would be .500 or below pretty much annually. Don't know how that helps raise B10 awareness really.

Alvarez should just go the eff away already. I'd trade those 3 rosebowls back for him not touching the gd hockey team in any fashion. or even thinking about them. I mean he can't even get an on-campus practice facility so he's worthless.
 
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Big Ten rules allow for a championship whenever there are six institutions sponsoring a program in any given sport. This leads to the presumption that there will be a Big Ten Men’s Ice Hockey Championship at some point in the future.

As blockski and I have noted a few times, "Big Ten Men’s Ice Hockey Championship" does not necessarily equal a BTHC. But the lack of food is already getting to me, so I don't feel like elaborating again :D
 
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As blockski and I have noted a few times, "Big Ten Men’s Ice Hockey Championship" does not necessarily equal a BTHC. But the lack of food is already getting to me, so I don't feel like elaborating again :D

I do. :)

The Big Twelevten phrased that VERY carefully. They said there would be a "Big Ten Men's Ice Hockey Championship", not a "Big Ten Men's Ice Hockey League". This can be decided by head-to-head records during the season, outside records against non-Big Ten teams, even GAA and such things, if there's not enough time in the respective teams' schedules to play a full tournament against each other at the end of the year. The teams involved can still remain in the WCHA or CCHA (or independent) and also play in those conference tournaments against their more traditional rivals.

This seems to be the hope of the WCHA and (especially) CCHA leadership.
 
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ugh.

Alvarez should just go the eff away already. I'd trade those 3 rosebowls back for him not touching the gd hockey team in any fashion. or even thinking about them. I mean he can't even get an on-campus practice facility so he's worthless.

Would you? I sure as heck wouldn't. For one thing, my interest in sports goes beyond UW hockey(even if it is my favorite) and we might not have the KC if not for a resurgent football program.

I get what you're saying. By 1999 or so, I was completely sick of Alvarez's demeanor and attitude. He was a complete hanger-on during 06 and he's an arrogant dooshsicle. That said, I would never return those Rose Bowls.

The hockey facility will get done and life will go on whatever conference we are in. A lot of people thought it was the end when we stopped playing at the Coliseum. Life went on.

I'm the first to get in the "Hate the idea of a BTHC" line, but it's gonna happen no matter what I want, so I'm not going to grip about it.
 
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As blockski and I have noted a few times, "Big Ten Men’s Ice Hockey Championship" does not necessarily equal a BTHC. But the lack of food is already getting to me, so I don't feel like elaborating again :D

I do. :)

The Big Twelevten phrased that VERY carefully. They said there would be a "Big Ten Men's Ice Hockey Championship", not a "Big Ten Men's Ice Hockey League". This can be decided by head-to-head records during the season, outside records against non-Big Ten teams, even GAA and such things, if there's not enough time in the respective teams' schedules to play a full tournament against each other at the end of the year. The teams involved can still remain in the WCHA or CCHA (or independent) and also play in those conference tournaments against their more traditional rivals.

This seems to be the hope of the WCHA and (especially) CCHA leadership.

How could there be a Big Ten Championship without a Big Ten league? I can't see how the teams would play in a different conference during the season and then decide a "champion" without playing a tournament. A "virtual" champion? :confused:
 
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I'm pretty sure that Gene Smith at OSU is with Barry Alvarez because they want more access to Minnesota and Wisconsin.

If folks have heard something, add to this...but from what I know programs include:

For
Wisconsin (Alvarez: I don't know the logistics -- how long it takes to get out of a league, all of that -- but I sense that we will move in that direction)
OSU (my guess...they say they want more access to MN/WI; Wisconsin and Ohio State have discussed the idea of creating a Big 10 conference)
PSU (my guess...I would imagine they would favor MN/WI over FSU/NMU)
MSU (my guess...no hard evidence here)

Against
Minnesota (Maturi: the formation of a Big 10 conference could actually hurt college hockey; even so, there's no way MN goes against the Big Ten on this)

Neutral
MI (truly seem fine either way)
 
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Minnesota has already announced massive ticket surcharge increases in upcoming seasons for the best seats.

The ticket prices will go up for the other schools, you are crazy if you try and argue that point.

Playoff revenue is going to be massive because they won't have to share the money with schools like UAA, Tech. Plus there won't be a "small arena" in the league.

Basically the Gophers are tacking huge surcharges onto their best seats and expanding the areas that will have to pay the fees. There was speculation from Gopher fans that many wouldn't renew their tickets with the team not playing well in recent seasons.

With the BTHC on the horizon, I'm guessing many won't give up seats that have been held for years.

Actually, from what I recall, the surcharge is being reduced for the premium seats and implemented for ALL season tickets, where it wasn't in place previously. Basically, all season tickets will be a minimum $100 "donation" per seat, with incremental increases for certain sections (although the most expense "donations" will be less than they are currently). Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

Aside from that, you really don't get it. Hockey fans here have a true sense of rivalry with UND, SCSU, UMD, and to a lesser extent Mankato. Those schools have fans who have grown up hating the Gophers in a way that is not going to be reproduced by MSU, Mich, PSU or OSU. That hatred fuels a rivalry. It grows a return hatred in Gopher fans. There is synergy in that kind of rivalry.
And it is only aided by the fact that when people who graduate from UND, St. Cloud, Duluth, or Mankato want to find a well paying job with advancement possibilities, they will likely end up in the Twin Cities. This serves to bring that rivalry into day-to-day interaction. Even if you don't really care that much about hockey but still consider yourself a Gopher fan, chances are you have to put up with at least one snotty UND fan in your workplace or social circle. Again, this just fuels the already vibrant rivalry. That won't be the case with PSU supporters.
In addition, a lot of great players at those aforementioned WCHA schools are kids who grew up playing HS hockey in MN and are well known to people who follow the game here. Those types of players aren't going to be nearly as common in Ohio or Pennsylvania based teams. Not even Michigan based teams where much of the talent is home grown.

Just stop and think, would DU fans trade the rivalry with CC for the chance to play Michigan and Michigan State? Would tickets to a DU - Mich game be in more demand than a DU - CC game? Would the atmosphere in the arena be better?

As far as playoff revenue, I don't understand your reasoning. In the WCHA, there are 6 playoff series in the first round, and 12 teams. In a 6 team BTHC, there would likely be 2 first round series, with 6 teams splitting the money. Given that the top 6 teams in the WCHA in a typical year will pull fans in the range of (10,000) (10,000) (13,000) (6,000) (6,000) (5,000) = 50,000 for first round, per night.
In a BTHC, even if the two largest arenas (MN and WI) held the first round, that number would = about 25,000 per night (assuming UW sold an extra 2,000 tickets by being in the BTHC). So that's a wash. And that's best case scenario in favor of BTHC. And I'm short changing UND and taking a smaller SCSU barn over CC barn in those WCHA estimations.

As far as conference finals the WCHA tournament, in a bad year, would average 14,000 per game over 5 games. That's 70,000 split between 12, for 5,800 per team.
In a BTHC if UW hosted in the largest rink in the conference (aside from OSU which would NOT sell out), they could at best pull 15,000 over 3 games for 45,000 split between 6; or 7,500 tickets per team. So even in the BEST CASE SCENARIO for the BTHC, they would earn a total of 1700 more tickets per team across the entire playoffs. Or, for MN's purposes, about 17% of a single home game.

And that's in a bad year for the WCHA, and a fantastic year for BTHC.

EDIT: actually, that best case scenario for the BTHC is impossible. If UW hosted a first round, they wouldn't be hosting the finals (according to your model for the tournament structure).
 
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****, that post got kind of long.
I'm not trying to say that the BTHC won't happen; in the end, it will come down to what the BT members decide. All I am saying is that I don't believe it will be in the best interest of MN (or even UW) to leave the WCHA in order to form the BTHC.
PSU, OSU, MSU, and even Mich? It may be in their best interests.

But I really do think MN will be fighting it; and if UW had any sense, so would they.
 
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If I was PSU, I would get into the CCHA for 5 or 6 seasons to get the program started up and then look into pushing for the formation of a big ten league. Given the fact that recruiting occurs 2, 3 or even 4 years out and that jumping right into a league with some of the top teams in the nation is asking to suffer through some tough early seasons. Starting in the CCHA will also help minimize costs initially since many of the trips will be be shorter. Plus it helps build up relationships with the current CCHA teams which will be helpful when it comes to filling in a NC schedule once the big ten league forms.
 
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Actually, from what I recall, the surcharge is being reduced for the premium seats and implemented for ALL season tickets, where it wasn't in place previously. Basically, all season tickets will be a minimum $100 "donation" per seat, with incremental increases for certain sections (although the most expense "donations" will be less than they are currently). Someone correct me if I have that wrong..
Read & Enjoy...

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38855&SPID=3322&DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=204974469

The Gophers will be reseating season ticket holders in 2012-13.

When will this happen?
Reseating will take place prior to the 2012-2013 season. The athletics department will provide additional information to season ticket holders again this winter, and provide specific Gopher Points information in the spring of 2011.

What will the Preferred Seating donations cost?

The athletics department expects required donations for certain seats to be similar to those in TCF Bank Stadium, which are $100, $250, $500 per seat. The athletics department will have maps with specific donation amounts when the plan is finalized next spring.

Will all seats require a donation?

No. All seats will NOT require a donation. The athletics department will make maps with specific donation amounts as well as non-donation seating locations available when the plan is finalized next spring.
 
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Poster over on Gopher Puck Live says Notre Dame is going to also play in the BTHC.

http://www.gopherpucklive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=9262&start=450#p313095
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Postby Orion » Fri 9/17/10 7:42 am

Take it for what you want, but rumor has it that an announcement of a Big Ten hockey conference which would include Notre Dame is about a month away. Now since this is an internet message board, I believe this is a place for rumors. I don't know how much to trust who I heard this from, but I haven't been burned yet.
 
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The seating map.

Seats inside the red line require a "donation."

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How could there be a Big Ten Championship without a Big Ten league? I can't see how the teams would play in a different conference during the season and then decide a "champion" without playing a tournament. A "virtual" champion? :confused:

they did it before, without any trouble, and why couldn't they play a tournament? there is nothing stopping the Big Ten teams from scheduling themselves for all OOC games as a Big Ten tourney, now is there? and, if they so wanted, I bet they could get the WCHA and CCHA to go along with a few scheduling tweaks, or else lose the teams. Do you really think that the CCHA wouldn't' accommodate the Big Ten for almost any request?
 
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they did it before, without any trouble, and why couldn't they play a tournament? there is nothing stopping the Big Ten teams from scheduling themselves for all OOC games as a Big Ten tourney, now is there? and, if they so wanted, I bet they could get the WCHA and CCHA to go along with a few scheduling tweaks, or else lose the teams. Do you really think that the CCHA wouldn't' accommodate the Big Ten for almost any request?

if they can line up the schedule during the regular season they'd just have to have the final regular weekend be an OOC tournament... Top 4 at the home of the #1 seed, standard tournament format, 2 games... 5v6 at #5 two game series.
 
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