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Gurtholfin said:
Gotta give the Big Ten credit for being smart business people. Not everyone thought that the BTN was a good idea(including me) and now fast forward a few years and it nearly ended the Big 12 and will eventually bring Notre Dame to their knees.
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Dream on. ND will do what works best of ND, and chances of that being the Integer are pretty low, all the moreso now that we called their bluff in the most recent round of shuffling.

(And, it should be noted, the financials that were initially bandied about with respect to the BTN proved to be just a wee bit exaggerated...)
 
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Craig P. said:
Dream on. ND will do what works best of ND, and chances of that being the Integer are pretty low, all the moreso now that we called their bluff in the most recent round of shuffling.

(And, it should be noted, the financials that were initially bandied about with respect to the BTN proved to be just a wee bit exaggerated...)
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Your faculty want in....badly. The older--give me independence or give me death--alums are dying off. Network television is withering on the vine, illustrated no better by the fact that ND has the third best television deal of any university in the state of Indiana! We'll have you soon enough, my pretties. If we have to destroy the entire Big East to make it happen, we will have you before us on your hands and knees begging for forgiveness and admission. :D
 
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I think Swarbrick's maneuvering during the last round of changes gives the lie to your statements. If there were sufficient impetus for ND to join the Integer, Delaney and co would have fallen all over themselves to welcome us.

The faculty is very interested in the CIC, certainly, though I don't think the support is as overwhelming as you make it out to be.

Delaney appears to have taken a shot at scaring ND into joining by batting his eyes at Rutgers and the like, but in the end, he and the rest of the conference blinked, because they knew d**n well that it'd be a net negative to take those schools on and not get ND in the bargain. And that was probably the best shot he's going to get... the more time passes, the more time the Big East and Swarbrick will have had to get things in order so that ND makes moves out of choice rather than a feeling of being forced into something.
 
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I have yet to see a single argument on how this actually makes money for MN or WI outside of more home games (which quite frankly I don't see happening except for the schools that can bus in - flight schools would tell them to pound sand).

What's the average rating for the MN-UND series on FSN and whatever network NoDak broadcasts on COMBINED? It's tiny. TINY. The Frozen Four doesn't get **** for ratings and people seriously think people are going to watch because a regular season hockey game is on the BTN? The frozen four is on ESPN and they get crap ratings!! ESPN wouldn't even broadcast the F4 if they didn't get it rammed down their throats by the NCAA.

Minnesota's season ticket plan will likely backfire and cause the waiting list to shrink somewhat. Won't disappear but it will get significantly shorter.

Add in the costs of flights between the western schools and the eastern schools in the B10 and you are going to have a problem making that cash up.

As was mentioned above, the Final Five is wildly successful because of the ridiculously high density of participants within a few hours drive. If you start moving it to rotating sites like JLA (where the red wings barely sell out), Consol Energy Center, or even Ohio and you will see a relatively large drop in the number of people willing to shell out the cash to fly to those cities.
 
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Sterling Cooper said:
Your faculty want in....badly. The older--give me independence or give me death--alums are dying off. Network television is withering on the vine, illustrated no better by the fact that ND has the third best television deal of any university in the state of Indiana! We'll have you soon enough, my pretties. If we have to destroy the entire Big East to make it happen, we will have you before us on your hands and knees begging for forgiveness and admission. :D
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You sure about all of that? Notre Dame likes being able to play USC, BC, and Navy every year. They won't be able to get that if they go to B10+2. The biggest thing effecting Notre Dame right now might just be the potential for a Big East split. We will know more about that depending on if Nova accepts BEs invitation to play up in football and 2012 when the TV contract with ESPN expires.
 
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Joking aside, I do agree the chances are slim in the near future. Ultimately--say in the 5-10 year range--I'd say it'll come down to four factors:

The opinions of the younger alums, who don't seem to be so pedantic on the subject as the older ones

How much power the faculty have vis-a-vis the alums: a factor that tilts in the faculty's favor with each step up in grad school rankings and each dollar in research funding secured

Can ND come up with anything to replace the NBC contract and catch up to the Big Ten and SEC in television revenue.

How well your latest Return to Glory coaching hire pans out.

In my--admittedly outsider's--opinion, I'd say it could go either way.


Craig P. said:
I think Swarbrick's maneuvering during the last round of changes gives the lie to your statements. If there were sufficient impetus for ND to join the Integer, Delaney and co would have fallen all over themselves to welcome us.

The faculty is very interested in the CIC, certainly, though I don't think the support is as overwhelming as you make it out to be.

Delaney appears to have taken a shot at scaring ND into joining by batting his eyes at Rutgers and the like, but in the end, he and the rest of the conference blinked, because they knew d**n well that it'd be a net negative to take those schools on and not get ND in the bargain. And that was probably the best shot he's going to get... the more time passes, the more time the Big East and Swarbrick will have had to get things in order so that ND makes moves out of choice rather than a feeling of being forced into something.
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Sterling Cooper said:
Joking aside, I do agree the chances are slim in the near future. Ultimately--say in the 5-10 year range--I'd say it'll come down to four factors:

The opinions of the younger alums, who don't seem to be so pedantic on the subject as the older ones

How much power the faculty have vis-a-vis the alums: a factor that tilts in the faculty's favor with each step up in grad school rankings and each dollar in research funding secured

Can ND come up with anything to replace the NBC contract and catch up to the Big Ten and SEC in television revenue.

How well your latest Return to Glory coaching hire pans out.

In my--admittedly outsider's--opinion, I'd say it could go either way.
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The bold one is the only one that matters because if they "return to glory," the tv contract will be there.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I have yet to see a single argument on how this actually makes money for MN or WI outside of more home games (which quite frankly I don't see happening except for the schools that can bus in - flight schools would tell them to pound sand).
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* More Home Games

* Higher attendance (Wisconsin)

* Higher ticket prices

* More Playoff Revenue

EQUALS

*** MORE $$$
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
FYP
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Minnesota has already announced massive ticket surcharge increases in upcoming seasons for the best seats.

The ticket prices will go up for the other schools, you are crazy if you try and argue that point.

Playoff revenue is going to be massive because they won't have to share the money with schools like UAA, Tech. Plus there won't be a "small arena" in the league.
 
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dggoddard said:
Minnesota has already announced massive ticket surcharge increases in upcoming seasons for the best seats.

The ticket prices will go up, you are crazy if you try and argue that point.
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Source? and if they are going up now, that has little to do with BTHC and everything to do with GOPHER hockey
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Can we all at least agree that Barry Alvarez is a tooldoosh?
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I loved him as a football coach, but as an AD...I think a turd sandwich and giant doosh are fighting over who can be his personal mascot.;)
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Shirtless Guy said:
Source? and if they are going up now, that has little to do with BTHC and everything to do with GOPHER hockey
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Do your own research. I don't have the time.

Basically the Gophers are tacking huge surcharges onto their best seats and expanding the areas that will have to pay the fees. There was speculation from Gopher fans that many wouldn't renew their tickets with the team not playing well in recent seasons.

With the BTHC on the horizon, I'm guessing many won't give up seats that have been held for years.
 
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dggoddard said:
Do your own research. I don't have the time.

Basically the Gophers are tacking huge surcharges onto their best seats and expanding the areas that will have to pay the fees. There was speculation from Gopher fans that many wouldn't renew their tickets with the team not playing well in recent seasons.

With the BTHC on the horizon, I'm guessing many won't give up seats that have been held for years.
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Oh pardon me, you state something as fact and don't feel like backing it up...I got it. We shall see if you're right about that. I'm sure people will just jump at spending all that extra money to keep their seats because Minnesota will be playing Ohio State and Penn State :rolleyes: I highly doubt more gopher fans really give a **** who the gophers play, especially if they continue not being a championship caliber team.
 
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Sterling Cooper said:
You've just given a good argument against the status quo. College hockey can stand back and watch the sport wither into vapor, killed by a thousand paper cuts of tight budgets, Title IX, no tv exposure and student indifference.

...or maybe the BTHC and BTN just might be a catalyst for helping to move college hockey forward as a major American sport.
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Back in 1968 college basketball was not a national sport until some guy name Eddie Einhorn and TVS had the guts to televise UCLA vs Houston across the country. I remember SI running a story about the new basketball gyms being built in response to the growth of college hoops.

The insane growth in college basketball can be traced to that game. We need something similar in college hockey. Face it, Bemidji vs St. Cloud State will not cut it nationally, but an undefeated Michigan State vs. an undefeated Alabama would.
 
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Actually, a better comparison for college basketball would be the 1979 final, which was the first time we saw Magic vs. Bird.

Penn State is here. Fine. But if it kills a few smaller programs, and we get down to somewhere around 54-55 teams, I would not be surprised in the least if the NCAA goes back to a 10-12 team tournament. We're shrinking, folks, not growing, even if another Big Ten team or two arrives on the scene.

There's a big difference between college basketball and college hockey. Basketball in general is played, and watched, in most parts of the country. You cannot say the same about hockey. We're comparing apples to grapefruit here. Ask the Atlanta Thrashers or the Florida Panthers.

We had over 77,000 come to see Michigan-Michigan State. We've had other outdoor games to various degrees of success. In roughly three months, we're going to have ~110,000 watch Michigan play Michigan State. If that doesn't turn the rest of the country on to college hockey, nothing will. And I'm guessing that the appeal of this game isn't going to resonate much outside of the current footprint of college hockey. Major expansion is not on the way.
 
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