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Big Ten Hockey Conference

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sbkbghockey said:
St. Cloud is facing massive budget cuts to the athletic department, their football program is #1 if we had a list for DII football. Hockey relies heavily on playing Big name schools in the WCHA in addition to the regional match ups against other WCHA schools. If the BTHC good luck seeing MN Wis in St. Cloud- that cuts a big revenue stream.
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Football is completely different beast than Hockey...if a school cuts football, they can save everything else...Michigan Tech went through this not too long ago and the alumni stepped up and now football is completely funded by alumni. Hockey is getting football renovations and I honestly think Minnesota will do its best to help its fellow minnesota schools by doing at least 2 for 1s with most of them to keep them viable.
 
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dggoddard said:
Only teams that play that sport.

Minnesota & Wisconsin would make big money from this. You just have to run some of the numbers.

Minnesota has had a huge waiting list for season tickets, but when the new fees and seat licenses were offered to the waiting list patrons this off season, most declined.

Wouldn't you agree that Wiscosnin could significantly raise prices if they join the Big Ten.
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Winning, not the opponent, is the #1 driver of ticket sales at MN and UW. If the teams are not winning, the tickets won't be sold/used.

What is the point of UW raising tickets prices when they already don't sell out all the games? While there exists a hardcore fan base who is willing to pay significantly more for tickets, it is clear that their current ticket prices are at an equilibrium point of selling on average ~11,500 tickets/game (removing the student tickets) at a price of ~$20 per ticket. The real question will be is how sensitive the casual fans are to a price change.

I fail to see how a BTHC tournament would be more of a money maker for UW and MN then the WCHA currently is. The F5 is a assured of having great ticket sales at the X, would you have that at a Big Ten tournament wous held elsewhere? The key to the F5's financial success was the number of fans from UND, SCSU, UW, MN, UMD, and MSU that live in the Minneapolis/St.Paul metro area. The BTHC doesn't have that. Thus the tournament is going to be much more hit or miss in terms of ticket sales.

I just don't see how this turns out to be a financially advantageous move for either UW or MN.
 
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sbkbghockey said:
St. Cloud is facing massive budget cuts to the athletic department, their football program is #1 if we had a list for DII football. Hockey relies heavily on playing Big name schools in the WCHA in addition to the regional match ups against other WCHA schools. If the BTHC good luck seeing MN Wis in St. Cloud- that cuts a big revenue stream.
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If you think they won't go to St. Cloud, which is at least easy to get to, they **** sure aren't coming to Mankato.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Football is completely different beast than Hockey...if a school cuts football, they can save everything else...Michigan Tech went through this not too long ago and the alumni stepped up and now football is completely funded by alumni. Hockey is getting football renovations and I honestly think Minnesota will do its best to help its fellow minnesota schools by doing at least 2 for 1s with most of them to keep them viable.
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Kinda like they helped their loyal fans by selling all of the best seats to Corpos?

I hope they do, but I have concerns.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
It could also make each of the 6 member hockey schools into bigger cash generators for their departments. This could cause up to three other Big Ten schools to add the sport?
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The financial advantages totally disappear for UW and MN if another school or two join, as it stands, the Big Ten tournament would need to nearly ~75% capacity in a NHL sized arena at ~$35/game average to match the per team gross revenue as the WCHA tournament generates currently.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Who doesn't pull that crap?
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Wisconsin for one.

I'm not blaming Minnesota. Their market supports it, so they do it. That wouldn't fly here as Madison is smaller and hockey isn't a big ticket.

There are some nominal fees to be between the blue lines, but they're chump change compared to football and hoops.

My point is that UM may not be as generous as we'd all like them to be. I know for a fact that Wisconsin won't go out of its way to help other programs if revenue is at stake. That's just reality.
 
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Almington said:
The financial advantages totally disappear for UW and MN if another school or two join, as it stands, the Big Ten tournament would need to nearly ~75% capacity in a NHL sized arena at ~$35/game average to match the per team gross revenue as the WCHA tournament generates currently.
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By cash generators, I meant during the regular season and this is assuming playing more home games than they currently do. I guarantee you that Dollar Alvarez is already looking into more home games and its effect on the bottom line.
 
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blockski said:
Because it's a move about more than just hockey and the hockey budget.
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I fail to see how this will boost distributions from the BTN either, considering the costs associated with live productions and the marginal increase in ad revenue. Account for the loss of the individual TV deals for the schools, and financial advantages shrink even more.

I fail to see how this improves that Big Ten's brand at all, hockey just doesn't have the national following.
 
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Almington said:
The financial advantages totally disappear for UW and MN if another school or two join, as it stands, the Big Ten tournament would need to nearly ~75% capacity in a NHL sized arena at ~$35/game average to match the per team gross revenue as the WCHA tournament generates currently.
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That maybe so, but does MN and WIS have a choice if the 3 others plus Big101112 want the BTHC. and possibly by 2014-15 it could be 6 others plus the Big101112 against MN and WIS.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Wisconsin for one.

I'm not blaming Minnesota. Their market supports it, so they do it. That wouldn't fly here as Madison is smaller and hockey isn't a big ticket.

There are some nominal fees to be between the blue lines, but they're chump change compared to football and hoops.

My point is that UM may not be as generous as we'd all like them to be. I know for a fact that Wisconsin won't go out of its way to help other programs if revenue is at stake. That's just reality.
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Wisconsin has no "little brothers" to care about like Minnesota. Minnesota has MSUM, SCSU, UMD and BSU. Maturi understands the situation...although who knows how much long he will have a job if the football and basketball teams don't improve and start contending.
 
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sbkbghockey said:
That maybe so, but does MN and WIS have a choice if the 3 others plus Big101112 want the BTHC. and possibly by 2014-15 it could be 6 others plus the Big101112 against MN and WIS.
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Make no mistake. Wisconsin wants a BTHC. Maybe the fans don't, but the athletic department does.
 
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Almington said:
I fail to see how this will boost distributions from the BTN either, considering the costs associated with live productions and the marginal increase in ad revenue. Account for the loss of the individual TV deals for the schools, and financial advantages shrink even more.

I fail to see how this improves that Big Ten's brand at all, hockey just doesn't have the national following.
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It adds revenue because these schools produce those games anyway. UW essentially does it for their jumbotron as it is.

Since the conference owns the network, there is no middle man - costs are much lower.

There's also no guarantee that all local broadcasts will cease.

Bottom line is this - the BTN has been a smashing success, and I think the bigwigs there have more accurate numbers than you do.

And adding Penn State is a huge boost to the Big Ten brand - and the perception of college hockey. Penn State has a huge alumni base and is very popular in Pennsylvania and the Mid-Atlantic. This is a huge development. Huge, I say!
 
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Gurtholfin said:
By cash generators, I meant during the regular season and this is assuming playing more home games than they currently do. I guarantee you that Dollar Alvarez is already looking into more home games and its effect on the bottom line.
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They will, I expect most of the BT teams to try and push ~22+ home games (of a 34 game schedule). I wonder if any of the teams will start agreeing to regular trips up to one of the Alaska schools to get the exemption.
 
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