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It's nice to see that the Big 10 is at least cognizant of the concern over the upheaval that might be caused by the departure of Big 10 teams from their current conferences. It may just be blowing smoke, but on the other hand, someone has at least spoken up and made those concerns known. These people are smart and understand that forming a BTHC for the cache and potential profits at the BTN would be a hollow triumph if it kills off a bunch of teams (which I'm not convinced it would do.)
 
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I think that if Blashill can get interest in Western hockey back to where it was in the early 2000's before it became obvious that Culhane was a moron by 2014, I think WMU could latch on to Notre Dame and Miami if an "anti-big ten" western conference was created with Denver/North Dakota etc. that wants 8-10 teams since they're reasonably close to South Bend and Oxford and lower travel costs slightly. And every league needs teams that are usually bottom feeders 8 of 10 years. ;)
I agree, I think they could get in with that, possibly. They are one of the few completely D1 teams left out west.
 
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Ha. That policy is meaningless.

Besides, UND will a) be changing their name eventually anyway, and b) would still be considered a 'traditional rival' and thus exempt from the ban.

The policy has holes in it that are big enough to drive a semi truck through.
Than why even have such a stupid policy to begin with?
 
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Ha. That policy is meaningless.

Besides, UND will a) be changing their name eventually anyway, and b) would still be considered a 'traditional rival' and thus exempt from the ban.

The policy has holes in it that are big enough to drive a semi truck through.
You could have just called it the Gopher's D-line.
 
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Minnesota & Wisconsin would make big money from this. You just have to run some of the numbers.

Minnesota has had a huge waiting list for season tickets, but when the new fees and seat licenses were offered to the waiting list patrons this off season, most declined.

Wouldn't you agree that Wiscosnin could significantly raise prices if they join the Big Ten.

Nah. This isn't really a hockey town although the 10000 or so hockey people that are here are really into it.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that Wisconsin and the others will be able to choose their non-con opponents. This can be both good(financially) and bad(scheduling patsies).

Not sure if there is a limit to the number of home games that a team can have, but I foresee the bigger schools scheduling series against small schools where a reciprocal trip will not be offered.

Wisconsin LOVES these arrangements as you see it in Basketball and Football. Season ticket holders are treated to Austin Peay next weekend on the gridiron!!

So I see us scheduling more of Ferris State, Qunnipiac, Robert Morris etc. as they may/will be willing to come and take whatever payday we typically give for a non-con opponent. Who knows, maybe this will actually help some of those programs stay afloat. Not sure what the payday is for a visiting non-con team.

I'm afraid that we won't see much of UND or DU as they will want us to return the favor and unfortunately, money dictates what this athletic department does, regardless of what fans want to see.

Prediction - UW will have more home games, but they will be mostly against smaller schools that we can hold hostage with $.

Yippie! :(
 
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Western D1 schools in order of most ****ed to least ****ed:

I think you're underestimating the CCHA. No way NMU is more *ed than MTU. Miami and Notre Dame are right up there with NoDak and the Colorado Schools.

I agree about NMU Miami and Notre Dame. CC could be in trouble as a DIII (smaller athletic department) hockey/WCHA competition is their bread and butter.

Bowling Green is in way better shape than a lot of those schools. they have funding/donors, and a univ committment. Endowed scholarships and ice arena renovations have already began. UAH, Both Alaska schools, Ferris, and St. Cloud would be in the bottom 5. Notre Dame was way low, since within 5 years they'll finally fold and become a Big 10 member anyway

1. Alabama-Huntsville
2. Alaska-Anchorage
3. Alaska Fairbanks
4. St. Cloud State
5. Western Michigan
6. Ferris State
7. Lake Superior State
8. Colorado College
9. Minnesota State-Mankato
10. Michigan Tech
11. Northern Michigan
12. Bowling Green
13. Nebraska-Omaha
14. Bemidji State
15. Minnesota-Duluth
16. Miami
17. Denver
18. Notre Dame
19. North Dakota
20. Minnesota
21. Ohio State
22. Michigan State
23. Michigan
24. Wisconsin
25. Penn State
 
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Where's Larry? He says Iowa is ready and the tweets I got said that the two schools outside of Penn State are Illinois and Indiana.
 
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Prediction - UW will have more home games, but they will be mostly against smaller schools that we can hold hostage with $.

Yippie! :(

I can also see Minnesota getting at least a 2 for 1 deal with the state schools.

Gotta give the Big Ten credit for being smart business people. Not everyone thought that the BTN was a good idea(including me) and now fast forward a few years and it nearly ended the Big 12 and will eventually bring Notre Dame to their knees.

It could also make each of the 6 member hockey schools into bigger cash generators for their departments. This could cause up to three other Big Ten schools to add the sport?
 
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Bowling Green is in way better shape than a lot of those schools. they have funding/donors, and a univ committment. Endowed scholarships and ice arena renovations have already began. UAH, Both Alaska schools, Ferris, and St. Cloud would be in the bottom 5. Notre Dame was way low, since within 5 years they'll finally fold and become a Big 10 member anyway

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Sorry but bbdl was way closer than you
1. Lake Superior State
2. Ferris State
3. Bowling Green
4. Alabama-Huntsville
5. Western Michigan
6. Alaska
7. Alaska-Anchorage
8. Northern Michigan
9. Michigan Tech
10. Minnesota State-Mankato
11. Bemidji State
12. Nebraska-Omaha
13. Miami
14. Notre Dame
15. St. Cloud State
16. Minnesota-Duluth
17. Colorado College
18. Denver
19. North Dakota
20. Minnesota
21. Wisconsin
22. Michigan State
23. Michigan
24. Ohio State
25. Penn State

There is no way St Cloud belongs bottom 5, they are in better shape than UNO, BSU, Mankato
 
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I can also see Minnesota getting at least a 2 for 1 deal with the state schools.

Gotta give the Big Ten credit for being smart business people. Not everyone thought that the BTN was a good idea(including me) and now fast forward a few years and it nearly ended the Big 12 and will eventually bring Notre Dame to their knees.

It could also make each of the 6 member schools into bigger cash generators for their departments.

We all underestimated how enraged people would get at Northwestern-Illinois State, Ohio State-Ohio, and Michigan-Toledo not being available.
 
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Not sure if there is a limit to the number of home games that a team can have, but I foresee the bigger schools scheduling series against small schools where a reciprocal trip will not be offered.

Wisconsin LOVES these arrangements as you see it in Basketball and Football. Season ticket holders are treated to Austin Peay next weekend on the gridiron!!

I think this is the big unknown. If the Big Ten hockey programs decide to act like their football and basketball brethren, some smaller schools aren't going to survive IMHO. One bit of hope, however, is the relative short 20 game season being tossed around. If the Big Ten schools operate under the assumption that they don't need to have more home games than they're already used to (say, 18 or depending upon the season), this leaves plenty of room to have enough road conference games to give some of these schools at least one or two marquee games on their schedule. With 10 out of 20 BTHC games at home, you only need 8 out of your other 14 games (or 16 if you go to Alaska) to get to what today is considered a very normal home schedule.
 
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Sorry but bbdl was way closer than you
1. Lake Superior State
2. Ferris State
3. Bowling Green
4. Alabama-Huntsville
5. Western Michigan
6. Alaska
7. Alaska-Anchorage
8. Northern Michigan
9. Michigan Tech
10. Minnesota State-Mankato
11. Bemidji State
12. Nebraska-Omaha
13. Miami
14. Notre Dame
15. St. Cloud State
16. Minnesota-Duluth
17. Colorado College
18. Denver
19. North Dakota
20. Minnesota
21. Wisconsin
22. Michigan State
23. Michigan
24. Ohio State
25. Penn State

There is no way St Cloud belongs bottom 5, they are in better shape than UNO, BSU, Mankato
Before this whole Penn State BS came out, I wouldn't have been surprised if LSSU dropped hockey, thats why I had to put them at top.
 
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One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that Wisconsin and the others will be able to choose their non-con opponents. This can be both good(financially) and bad(scheduling patsies).

Not sure if there is a limit to the number of home games that a team can have, but I foresee the bigger schools scheduling series against small schools where a reciprocal trip will not be offered.

Wisconsin LOVES these arrangements as you see it in Basketball and Football. Season ticket holders are treated to Austin Peay next weekend on the gridiron!!

I'm not so sure that will happen. Hockey isn't football. You need some depth to your OOC schedule for the PWR. UW has done well in recent years, particularly with the limited number of games available. The Showcase with Michigan and Michigan State shows that they're willing to play home and homes with traditional rivals. The series with BC and UNH shows the same for out of conference foes.

UW would then usually get one home series against a tomato can to get the gate, and the other games would be taken up by the Badger Showdown (RIP). With the showdown gone, I can see UW going after a nice non-conference series there or seeking an invitation to one of the more competitive or traditional holiday tournaments (it's been ages since UW played in the GLI, for example).

I think this is the big unknown. If the Big Ten hockey programs decide to act like their football and basketball brethren, some smaller schools aren't going to survive IMHO. One bit of hope, however, is the relative short 20 game season being tossed around. If the Big Ten schools operate under the assumption that they don't need to have more home games than they're already used to (say, 18 or depending upon the season), this leaves plenty of room to have enough road conference games to give some of these schools at least one or two marquee games on their schedule.

Like I said, I think the nature of hockey precludes that from happening. Basketball is more of an indicator, IMO.

Like basketball, losing one hockey game doesn't ruin your season, as it might in football - thus there's more incentive to schedule games against bigger, tougher opponents - the downside isn't that big.

I think balance is good. If the Big Ten schools have some rivalry games, that helps their former conference mates (for UW, that would be UND, UMD, DU, CC, etc). If they want tomato can games without the return trip (or a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 exchange), then that helps the little guys too - they get games and they also get paid.

Death knell this is not.
 
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Sorry but bbdl was way closer than you
1. Lake Superior State
2. Ferris State
3. Bowling Green
4. Alabama-Huntsville
5. Western Michigan
6. Alaska
7. Alaska-Anchorage
8. Northern Michigan
9. Michigan Tech
10. Minnesota State-Mankato
11. Bemidji State
12. Nebraska-Omaha
13. Miami
14. Notre Dame
15. St. Cloud State
16. Minnesota-Duluth
17. Colorado College
18. Denver
19. North Dakota
20. Minnesota
21. Wisconsin
22. Michigan State
23. Michigan
24. Ohio State
25. Penn State

There is no way St Cloud belongs bottom 5, they are in better shape than UNO, BSU, Mankato

St. Cloud is facing massive budget cuts to the athletic department, their football program is #1 if we had a list for DII football. Hockey relies heavily on playing Big name schools in the WCHA in addition to the regional match ups against other WCHA schools. If the BTHC good luck seeing MN Wis in St. Cloud- that cuts a big revenue stream.
 
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