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Big Ten Hockey Conference
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Sterling Cooper
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aparch
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
Gotta take care of your problems in-house before accepting outside headaches.
And I have a feeling that they knew the Penn State situation was coming. Better to leave the door open to them than to blatantly say "Nope, sorry, no room unless you form a BigTen conference."
Plus, the "have-nots" of the CCHA are in cost containment mode. Unless UAH was ponying up at least 15k a weekend indefinitely, they weren't getting in. Losing Omaha was a blessing for the smaller schools.
Gotta take care of your problems in-house before accepting outside headaches.
And I have a feeling that they knew the Penn State situation was coming. Better to leave the door open to them than to blatantly say "Nope, sorry, no room unless you form a BigTen conference."
Plus, the "have-nots" of the CCHA are in cost containment mode. Unless UAH was ponying up at least 15k a weekend indefinitely, they weren't getting in. Losing Omaha was a blessing for the smaller schools.
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Hmm well which has more potential to truly be an emerging program? UAH or Penn State? I don't think it's even close and really have no problem with the CCHA saying no to UAH.
Hmm well which has more potential to truly be an emerging program? UAH or Penn State? I don't think it's even close and really have no problem with the CCHA saying no to UAH.
aparch
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
"I repeat, there is NOT a Big Ten Hockey Conference on the horizon..."
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"I repeat, there is NOT a Big Ten Hockey Conference on the horizon..."
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
Which is what, join a Big 10 Hockey conference? Everyone assumes that would be what's "best" for programs like Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. I suspect there are some in the MN program who may have similar doubts.
Which is what, join a Big 10 Hockey conference? Everyone assumes that would be what's "best" for programs like Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. I suspect there are some in the MN program who may have similar doubts.
Sterling Cooper
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
What's best for the Minnesota hockey program (maintaining traditional rivalries) may not necessarily be what's best for the overall Minnesota athletic department (BTN revenue) or the University of Minnesota (CIC affiliation).
My point is that Minny will make the decision based on the larger interests of what's in the best interest of the university and athletic department over the narrower interests of the hockey program.
What's best for the Minnesota hockey program (maintaining traditional rivalries) may not necessarily be what's best for the overall Minnesota athletic department (BTN revenue) or the University of Minnesota (CIC affiliation).
My point is that Minny will make the decision based on the larger interests of what's in the best interest of the university and athletic department over the narrower interests of the hockey program.
P
Priceless
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
Indiana is looking to replace Assembly Hall. I gather it has some serious structural issues (a leaky roof, etc) and due to its age, it is not ADA compliant. They priced out a renovation vs. a new arena, and they were about the same cost - thus, Indiana will likely be in the market for a new arena in the near future.
Indiana is looking to replace Assembly Hall. I gather it has some serious structural issues (a leaky roof, etc) and due to its age, it is not ADA compliant. They priced out a renovation vs. a new arena, and they were about the same cost - thus, Indiana will likely be in the market for a new arena in the near future.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
If the Big Ten wants to force alignment, then what's best for those schools is to join the BTHC...
What's best for the Big Ten hockey schools is to have things in hockey remain status quo (with PSU joining the CCHA) and the Big Ten to not force conference alignment in hockey.
If the Big Ten wants to force alignment, then what's best for those schools is to join the BTHC...
JF_Gophers
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
Seems like a win for them to then take the donor money to go D-1 in hockey and use that facility for basketball as well.
Seems like a win for them to then take the donor money to go D-1 in hockey and use that facility for basketball as well.
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Future Conference Reallignment
Big Ten:
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Minnesota
Wisconsin
**Does the Big Ten build through full members or do they accept hockey-only members? If they stay as is and build through their own schools, great. If they start taking some of the big boys as hockey only members (North Dakota/Miami), this could be a disaster for some of the smaller CCHA/WCHA teams. Let's say the Big Ten builds from within:
My New WCHA:
Alaska-Anchorage
Denver
CC
UND
Nebraska-Omaha
Minnesota State
UMD
SCSU
Bemidji State
My New CCHA:
Alaska
Michigan Tech
Northern Michigan
Lake Superior
Bowling Green
Ferris State
Miami
Notre Dame
Western Michigan
Two nine team leagues, or Michigan Tech stays in the WCHA for a 10/8 split.
My question for you out there is can the CCHA survive/thrive without Michigan and Michigan State? Can the WCHA survive without Minnesota/Wisconsin?
Future Conference Reallignment
Big Ten:
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Minnesota
Wisconsin
**Does the Big Ten build through full members or do they accept hockey-only members? If they stay as is and build through their own schools, great. If they start taking some of the big boys as hockey only members (North Dakota/Miami), this could be a disaster for some of the smaller CCHA/WCHA teams. Let's say the Big Ten builds from within:
My New WCHA:
Alaska-Anchorage
Denver
CC
UND
Nebraska-Omaha
Minnesota State
UMD
SCSU
Bemidji State
My New CCHA:
Alaska
Michigan Tech
Northern Michigan
Lake Superior
Bowling Green
Ferris State
Miami
Notre Dame
Western Michigan
Two nine team leagues, or Michigan Tech stays in the WCHA for a 10/8 split.
My question for you out there is can the CCHA survive/thrive without Michigan and Michigan State? Can the WCHA survive without Minnesota/Wisconsin?
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I understand that, and don't disagree. However, I don't know that anyone has demonstrated how BTN revenue for the athletic departments will increase due to the addition of a BTHC. As Scooby, and perhaps others on this board have noted now for a couple of years, the BTN has done an excellent job of basically ignoring the Big 10 hockey teams, even when they play each other. I agree with what some others have suggested that the BTN would like to primarily use hockey as a filler during the winter.
On the other hand, Minnesota's hockey team is a money maker for it's athletic department. They derive a lot of money from the fact that the WCHA has a first round of playoffs, frequently held in arenas with large capacities that draw well. The WCHA Final 5 has also been a huge success, due to it's location in the Twin Cities, with it's base of hockey fans, and the close travel for many of the other conference teams.
Coupled with the fact that most of Minnesota's current travel can be done by bus, whereas at BTHC turns them into an airline conference, Minnesota's athletic department may not see the financial gain that other Big 10 schools, like OSU and Penn St. might enjoy.
I also suspect Michigan is in a very similar position. At one time they enjoyed the privilege of being in a conference where they got to play the best teams in college hockey on a nightly basis, including nearly every other Big 10 team. They gave that up to join a conference where they could play much smaller schools much closer to home.
My point to dg was just to clarify that while people like Alvaraz at Wisconsin have been quite vocal in their support for the formation of a BTHC, you really haven't heard much out of programs like Minnesota and Michigan who already have a pretty sweet financial situation with their hockey programs.
But, as I have noted in many other posts, I do think the formation of a BTHC is inevitable, but certainly not the catastrophe for other programs, or the boon for Big 10 programs, that some foresee.
I understand that, and don't disagree. However, I don't know that anyone has demonstrated how BTN revenue for the athletic departments will increase due to the addition of a BTHC. As Scooby, and perhaps others on this board have noted now for a couple of years, the BTN has done an excellent job of basically ignoring the Big 10 hockey teams, even when they play each other. I agree with what some others have suggested that the BTN would like to primarily use hockey as a filler during the winter.
On the other hand, Minnesota's hockey team is a money maker for it's athletic department. They derive a lot of money from the fact that the WCHA has a first round of playoffs, frequently held in arenas with large capacities that draw well. The WCHA Final 5 has also been a huge success, due to it's location in the Twin Cities, with it's base of hockey fans, and the close travel for many of the other conference teams.
Coupled with the fact that most of Minnesota's current travel can be done by bus, whereas at BTHC turns them into an airline conference, Minnesota's athletic department may not see the financial gain that other Big 10 schools, like OSU and Penn St. might enjoy.
I also suspect Michigan is in a very similar position. At one time they enjoyed the privilege of being in a conference where they got to play the best teams in college hockey on a nightly basis, including nearly every other Big 10 team. They gave that up to join a conference where they could play much smaller schools much closer to home.
My point to dg was just to clarify that while people like Alvaraz at Wisconsin have been quite vocal in their support for the formation of a BTHC, you really haven't heard much out of programs like Minnesota and Michigan who already have a pretty sweet financial situation with their hockey programs.
But, as I have noted in many other posts, I do think the formation of a BTHC is inevitable, but certainly not the catastrophe for other programs, or the boon for Big 10 programs, that some foresee.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
Probably not. Aside from relative newcomers (to the NCAA scene) Miami and Notre Dame, there isn't much firepower remaining.
They could easily survive, but they wouldn't thrive as much as with UW/UMN.
Probably not. Aside from relative newcomers (to the NCAA scene) Miami and Notre Dame, there isn't much firepower remaining.
They could easily survive, but they wouldn't thrive as much as with UW/UMN.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
One has to wonder, would NMU's decision to stay in the CCHA and not jump over the WCHA in the last year have been different had they knew this was happening? I have to think they'd have jumped ship if they knew about this.
One has to wonder, would NMU's decision to stay in the CCHA and not jump over the WCHA in the last year have been different had they knew this was happening? I have to think they'd have jumped ship if they knew about this.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
I couldn't agree more...I was honestly wondering the same thing after some of the other rumors I've heard here today.
dggoddard
New member
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
No one can argue that Wisconsin attendance wouldn't receive a bump.
Minnesota has a lot of expensive seat licenses/premium seat fees to be sold in the next few seasons.
There is no doubt that each BTHC member would make significantly more money.
I think a BTHC Playoff Tourney could produce $200,000 rebvenue per school based on ticket sales alone and hosting the Final Four at the #1 seed's home arena. Even if I was way off base, the BTHC playoff money would be a huge upgrade for the CCHA defectors who may only make $10,000-15,000 now.
No one can argue that Wisconsin attendance wouldn't receive a bump.
Minnesota has a lot of expensive seat licenses/premium seat fees to be sold in the next few seasons.
There is no doubt that each BTHC member would make significantly more money.
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