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Big Ten Hockey Conference
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Driftryder
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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I would actually give the advantage to the WCHA schools in each one of those matchups. I love the DU and UND rivalries.
I would actually give the advantage to the WCHA schools in each one of those matchups. I love the DU and UND rivalries.
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I would be very surprised if anyone from the University of Minnesota would lead the charge to form a BTHC. I think they realize they have it pretty sweet right now. They get to play all the successful Big 10 programs each year anyway. Forming a conference just to add games against OSU and a new Penn St. program can't have huge appeal. Plus, they have their rivalry with UND, and the nice little set up of being the big school surrounded by a bunch of other MN schools in the same conference.
I have heard absolutely nothing that suggests that the MN program wants this, and I'd be surprised if most of their hockey fans weren't at least partially opposed to it.
Lucia's comments, which basically took the realistic view that Penn St. is not adding hockey without some foresight into who they'd like to join in a conference certainly can't be construed as some sort of institutional desire to bolt the WCHA in favor of a BTHC.
I would be very surprised if anyone from the University of Minnesota would lead the charge to form a BTHC. I think they realize they have it pretty sweet right now. They get to play all the successful Big 10 programs each year anyway. Forming a conference just to add games against OSU and a new Penn St. program can't have huge appeal. Plus, they have their rivalry with UND, and the nice little set up of being the big school surrounded by a bunch of other MN schools in the same conference.
I have heard absolutely nothing that suggests that the MN program wants this, and I'd be surprised if most of their hockey fans weren't at least partially opposed to it.
Lucia's comments, which basically took the realistic view that Penn St. is not adding hockey without some foresight into who they'd like to join in a conference certainly can't be construed as some sort of institutional desire to bolt the WCHA in favor of a BTHC.
Sterling Cooper
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You're right that Minny will not "lead the charge" for the BTHC. They'll stand in the background and might even voice some token opposition to it for political reasons. In the end, they'll do what's best for the entire athletic department, which happens to be exactly what's best for the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network.
They are not going to risk the golden goose for hockey. Sorry, that's just not how any athletic department with major football and men's b-ball programs (not to mention a new stadium) is going to act. If their AD can't get on board, then he'll get whacked and go find a job working for the WCHA office or go back to Miami of Ohio where he can focus on an athletic department where hockey drives the bus.
You're right that Minny will not "lead the charge" for the BTHC. They'll stand in the background and might even voice some token opposition to it for political reasons. In the end, they'll do what's best for the entire athletic department, which happens to be exactly what's best for the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network.
They are not going to risk the golden goose for hockey. Sorry, that's just not how any athletic department with major football and men's b-ball programs (not to mention a new stadium) is going to act. If their AD can't get on board, then he'll get whacked and go find a job working for the WCHA office or go back to Miami of Ohio where he can focus on an athletic department where hockey drives the bus.
dggoddard
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Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference
USCHO.com is saying Penn State starts hockey next Fall to help get the fundraising ball rolling. Looks like $80 million isn't enough.
If anyone thinks that another big school can start a hockey program without a miracle donor, they are crazy. Sounds like it will take $100 million to start the program, fund the scholies, pay the coaches/staff and build the arena.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/news/college-h...ayWithGiftTopping80Million.html#ixzz0znYjc5eW
USCHO.com is saying Penn State starts hockey next Fall to help get the fundraising ball rolling. Looks like $80 million isn't enough.
If anyone thinks that another big school can start a hockey program without a miracle donor, they are crazy. Sounds like it will take $100 million to start the program, fund the scholies, pay the coaches/staff and build the arena.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/news/college-h...ayWithGiftTopping80Million.html#ixzz0znYjc5eW
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bigblue_dl
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How much would that $$ number go down if there was already a viable arena to use, so a new one wouldn't have to be built? I would guess it is a much more reasonable number.
Shirtless Guy
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I wouldn't be surprised if the big hurdle is Title IX and the fund raising is to be able to afford the costs of the women's team.
aparch
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Notre Dame is building theirs for approximately $50 Mil. for approx. 5,000
Miami's was $36 Mil. for 3,200
Agganis was $225 Mil.* for 6,220
*(for the entire sports complex. No breakout of just the arena)
Engelstad Arena was $104 Mil. for 11,640
So you can ballpark that the earlier estimates of $70 Mil for the arena (of around 6,000 to 7,000) is pretty close. Approximately $10,000 per person you plan on seating.
$20 Mil sounds like it's for an account to write scholarships from the INTEREST only, kick-start paying coaches and staff, and be able to pay the team for the first couple years until it becomes self-sustaining. Or at least until it gets its hooks into the Big10 money from Football and Basketball.
Notre Dame is building theirs for approximately $50 Mil. for approx. 5,000
Miami's was $36 Mil. for 3,200
Agganis was $225 Mil.* for 6,220
*(for the entire sports complex. No breakout of just the arena)
Engelstad Arena was $104 Mil. for 11,640
So you can ballpark that the earlier estimates of $70 Mil for the arena (of around 6,000 to 7,000) is pretty close. Approximately $10,000 per person you plan on seating.
$20 Mil sounds like it's for an account to write scholarships from the INTEREST only, kick-start paying coaches and staff, and be able to pay the team for the first couple years until it becomes self-sustaining. Or at least until it gets its hooks into the Big10 money from Football and Basketball.
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dggoddard
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DU's Arena/Sports Complex was $77 million (Built 1999) or around $100 million if you built it today.
I guess if schools like Indiana or Illinois are going to build new hoops arenas with their Big Ten Cable money, they could incorporate a hockey rink into the design.
DU's Arena/Sports Complex was $77 million (Built 1999) or around $100 million if you built it today.
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dggoddard
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aparch
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That's what's been the discussion spreading across at least a dozen threads. No one seems to know.
I do know that there IS worry within the CCHA's smaller schools. Including one I thought could survive this.
That's what's been the discussion spreading across at least a dozen threads. No one seems to know.
I do know that there IS worry within the CCHA's smaller schools. Including one I thought could survive this.
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Well, if you get Indiana and Illinois both adding hockey as well, that gives you 8 Big Ten schools playing hockey. There is simply no way that 8 conference members would not form their own conference.
Regarding arenas - Indiana is in the market for a new basketball arena, and adding ice-making capabilities shouldn't be a problem.
I don't think Illinois is in need of a new basketball arena, but the current U of I ice arena has a huge ice sheet (something like 115 feet wide) and could probably be reasonably re-sized to NHL dimensions, making room for more bleachers, etc.
Dave Starman notes that one of the reasons why Penn State did not add hockey earlier was their short-sighted decision to not include ice-making at the Bryce Jordan Center.
Well, if you get Indiana and Illinois both adding hockey as well, that gives you 8 Big Ten schools playing hockey. There is simply no way that 8 conference members would not form their own conference.
Regarding arenas - Indiana is in the market for a new basketball arena, and adding ice-making capabilities shouldn't be a problem.
I don't think Illinois is in need of a new basketball arena, but the current U of I ice arena has a huge ice sheet (something like 115 feet wide) and could probably be reasonably re-sized to NHL dimensions, making room for more bleachers, etc.
Dave Starman notes that one of the reasons why Penn State did not add hockey earlier was their short-sighted decision to not include ice-making at the Bryce Jordan Center.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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We've always known that Ferris, LSSU, WMU and BGSU have been teetering. Who else is on that list?
I do know that there IS worry within the CCHA's smaller schools. Including one I thought could survive this.
We've always known that Ferris, LSSU, WMU and BGSU have been teetering. Who else is on that list?
dggoddard
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AHA splits into two conferences (AHA #1 & #2).
ECAC splits into two conferences (Ivies & Non-Ivies)
BTHC
Mostly Michigan Conference
Hockey East remains the same
WCHA Breakaway Conference
Mostly Minnesota Conference
There could be up to 9 conferences in the future. Creating 9 NCAA Auto-bids.That's what's been the discussion spreading across at least a dozen threads. No one seems to know.
I do know that there IS worry within the CCHA's smaller schools. Including one I thought could survive this.
AHA splits into two conferences (AHA #1 & #2).
ECAC splits into two conferences (Ivies & Non-Ivies)
BTHC
Mostly Michigan Conference
Hockey East remains the same
WCHA Breakaway Conference
Mostly Minnesota Conference
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aparch
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aparch
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How close is the AHA to splitting? Niagara and BobbyMo wouldn't be too bad of teams to add to a weakened CCHA. Plus, that would give Penn State some non-conference opponents, and maybe work an agreement to swing the Big10 through the rest of the CCHA once in a while...
And are the Ivies really that ready to leave ECAC? I know I'm not up to speed on the East coast teams, but wow.
How close is the AHA to splitting? Niagara and BobbyMo wouldn't be too bad of teams to add to a weakened CCHA. Plus, that would give Penn State some non-conference opponents, and maybe work an agreement to swing the Big10 through the rest of the CCHA once in a while...
And are the Ivies really that ready to leave ECAC? I know I'm not up to speed on the East coast teams, but wow.
Shirtless Guy
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I think its the idea that if the big ten splits off, why not make the other conferences smaller to get more autobidsHow close is the AHA to splitting? Niagara and BobbyMo wouldn't be too bad of teams to add to a weakened CCHA. Plus, that would give Penn State some non-conference opponents, and maybe work an agreement to swing the Big10 through the rest of the CCHA once in a while...
And are the Ivies really that ready to leave ECAC? I know I'm not up to speed on the East coast teams, but wow.
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You could also throw Mercyhurst into that mix.
How close is the AHA to splitting? Niagara and BobbyMo wouldn't be too bad of teams to add to a weakened CCHA. Plus, that would give Penn State some non-conference opponents, and maybe work an agreement to swing the Big10 through the rest of the CCHA once in a while...
And are the Ivies really that ready to leave ECAC? I know I'm not up to speed on the East coast teams, but wow.
You could also throw Mercyhurst into that mix.
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