Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

[kire_mailliw]

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Actually, all of the Iowa USHL teams (Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Waterloo and Dubuque) draw pretty well. The problem isn't ice facilities in Iowa, it's ice facilities in Iowa in cities with D1 schools. The downtown rink in Des Moines is something like 14,000 seats, but I don't see Drake mentioned as a likely option. I don't think there's an appropriate venue in Ames or Iowa City, or D1 schools in Rockford or Council Bluffs...

agreed, iowa city ice arena is in an mall near the food court...number of seats to watch a game? zero

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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I was under the impression that if you weren't a NCAA member you couldn't compete against a NCAA school. It's like if you don't join the union you don't get to work. Am I wrong?

 

[Alton]

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Really? I could have sworn they did.

Interesting. I had always assumed they did. Only because if someone tried to start their own collegiate athletics association they'd be crushed. Not that this reason makes them in violation of antitrust laws necessarily.

Here, for example, is an argument from somebody (not the NCAA) that the NCAA should be granted an antitrust exempion!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2008-09-23-foundation-report_N.htm

It's an interesting question, but I think the fact that no conference has recently blackballed another team or conference in any sport is also evidence that you can't do that legally.

 

[moose97]

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I was under the impression that if you weren't a NCAA member you couldn't compete against a NCAA school. It's like if you don't join the union you don't get to work. Am I wrong?

Completely. Bemidji State has played football vs. Minot State for something like 10 years in a row, and Minot just started their D-II transition from NAIA. Also, BSU plays Jamestown College and Mayville State - also NAIA schools in basketball and other sports regularly...

 

[kire_mailliw]

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Maybe Iowa could play on the rink in the mall. LOL!

its particularly awesome in the summer when the ice is slush, its 70 degrees at ice level, the guy that sharpened your skates didn't know what they were when you gave them to him, and the all you can smell is chinese food from the food court--

f ing iowa

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Completely. Bemidji State has played football vs. Minot State for something like 10 years in a row, and Minot just started their D-II transition from NAIA. Also, BSU plays Jamestown College and Mayville State - also NAIA schools in basketball and other sports regularly...

Interesting. Thanks for the info!

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Completely. Bemidji State has played football vs. Minot State for something like 10 years in a row, and Minot just started their D-II transition from NAIA. Also, BSU plays Jamestown College and Mayville State - also NAIA schools in basketball and other sports regularly...

North Dakota has also played many of the state schools that were NAIA (Division II). We even lost to Minot State in basketball one year...

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Completely. Bemidji State has played football vs. Minot State for something like 10 years in a row, and Minot just started their D-II transition from NAIA. Also, BSU plays Jamestown College and Mayville State - also NAIA schools in basketball and other sports regularly...

Thanks, but it seems a school has be be a member of some group NCAA, NAIA or whoever to have sports so being COMPLETELY independent can't happen?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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So what happens when the NAIA disappears? Because I'm assuming all schools strive to be in the NCAA. (Big assumption, and I don't know enough about the NAIA to assume anything else.)

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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What strength of schedule? If they are playing a cupcake schedule their pairwise is goingto suffer. Then figure playing four games against PSU and it gets even worse......

Playing bad teams from good conferences is actually good for your RPI under the new ratio. Having a few games against UAH, and the AHA teams isn't that bad anymore either.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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Playing bad teams from good conferences is actually good for your RPI under the new ratio. Having a few games against UAH, and the AHA teams isn't that bad anymore either.

How about 14 games against those teams and then add four against PSU?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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How about 14 games against those teams and then add four against PSU?

The largest portion for the current RPI is opponents opponents Winning% so beating penn state is better than splitting with north dakota over the course of 4 games. IF Wisconsin had a schedule of their 20 big ten games and then played @Cornell 2, @ UND 2, vs Niagara 2, vs Canisius 2, vs UAH 2, vs MTU 2, vs Providence 2 thats actually probably just as good on paper as this season...considering the stupidity of 0.25 W%, 0.21 OppW%, 0.54 OppOppW%. They did it to reduce the number of negative impact victories but all it does is make the RPI an even more flawed value.

 

[WeWantMore]

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So what happens when the NAIA disappears? Because I'm assuming all schools strive to be in the NCAA. (Big assumption, and I don't know enough about the NAIA to assume anything else.)

I had a friend play college sports at the NAIA level. According to the school he went to, the NCAA didn't have high enough academic standards for their liking. So when the schools in the conference they were in moved to jump to the NCAA level, this particular school said they were very pleased to stay in the NAIA, thank you very much. Take that for what it's worth I guess. I'm a little skeptical that some other factors weren't involved (money being chief among them obviously) but there it is.

 

[4four4]

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We currently have the perfect selection system for the NCAAs. Argue the merits of KRACH vs RPI until you're blue in the face, but you cannot deny that the selection committee is fair and gets it right every single season. (Seriously, how long has it been since they've veered away from the PWR?)

If the selection committee EVER changes its tune, I demand a riot.

It will be to accommodate the Big Ten's need to have four teams always in the NCAA tourney. For example, the .500 rule will go bye, bye.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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It will be to accommodate the Big Ten's need to have four teams always in the NCAA tourney. For example, the .500 rule will go bye, bye.

Why? Do you really think UW, Min, Mich and MSU won't be above .500 most of the time with 8 of their 20 conference games against OSU and PSU and at least 4 games against cupcakes? I mean until Osiecki and whoever is hired at PSU get things going, you're talking about going 10-1-1, which means a team like MSU needs to go 7-15 in the rest of their schedule to be on the right side of .500

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Why? Do you really think UW, Min, Mich and MSU won't be above .500 most of the time with 8 of their 20 conference games against OSU and PSU and at least 4 games against cupcakes? I mean until Osiecki and whoever is hired at PSU get things going, you're talking about going 10-1-1, which means a team like MSU needs to go 7-15 in the rest of their schedule to be on the right side of .500

If you can't go .500 against that schedule you won't make the tourney anyway.

 

[UCBadger]

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agreed, iowa city ice arena is in an mall near the food court...number of seats to watch a game? zero

I guess that makes every game standing room only, right?

 

[Bakunin]

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I assume you mean charge more for the season and not per single game ticket right?

Right. Extra home games = tacking on an extra $35+ per additional home game to the season ticket cost. Even if the new schedule netted them just *one* extra home game per season, it's worth about $350,000 in revenue to the U on a ticket basis. Then add the suites, concessions, and parking to the mix, and you're probably pushing $500k. It's not exactly chump change.

 

[The Rube]

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Why? Do you really think UW, Min, Mich and MSU won't be above .500 most of the time with 8 of their 20 conference games against OSU and PSU and at least 4 games against cupcakes? I mean until Osiecki and whoever is hired at PSU get things going, you're talking about going 10-1-1, which means a team like MSU needs to go 7-15 in the rest of their schedule to be on the right side of .500

And who's to say PSU will ever get things going? A BTHC team doesn't = success. Look at OSU. They've been around for a while. Pbbbbbt. Nada.

GodDAM I hate the BTHC.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Right. Extra home games = tacking on an extra $35+ per additional home game to the season ticket cost. Even if the new schedule netted them just *one* extra home game per season, it's worth about $350,000 in revenue to the U on a ticket basis. Then add the suites, concessions, and parking to the mix, and you're probably pushing $500k. It's not exactly chump change.

http://www.gopherpucklive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9262&p=353419#p353411

Very interesting point here.