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Big Ten considers pay proposal

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CHFAN222 said:
If you haven't gotten a chance to watch last weeks episode of South Park. They make a few good points about student athletes not being paid.

This clip in particular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVfiaVM0ap8&feature=player_embedded
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That particular point, not necessarily. However about the "networks" (read: Cartman and his buddies) profiting off the crack babies and what develops from there, I think that was more along the lines of the point they were trying to make. I originally was going to post about that here, but decided to delete because we really don't see it all that much with hockey. Not to mention, with hockey there is an option for players that would like to be subsidized, and it's called Major Junior.

Although one spat from Grapes I heard on Coach's Corner was that he wants to restrict Major Junior to Canadians.
 
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Scally Lama said:
You want "pizza money?" Here's an idea: use some of that money that you're not spending to go to school. Just a thought.
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The error in that line of thinking is, especially in hockey, most of the players still have to pay some piece of their school/room/board.
 
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fangers said:
The error in that line of thinking is, especially in hockey, most of the players still have to pay some piece of their school/room/board.
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Oh come on, everyone knows that Division I college hockey gives 30 scholarships.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I'm pretty sure that I had money for pizza when I was in college and I had to pay for school...and I didn't get handouts from my parents.
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Good for you for supporting yourself thru school, but you obviously didn't play a sport while doing so. Otherwise you'd know that the NCAA limits of what players can earn and the reality that the combination of class time/homework and team commitments (conditioning/practices/travel) leave them little time to realisitcally have a part time job. Most hockey guys are fortunate in that most their families can afford to help them out with some spending cash, but even then there are those for whom money is tight.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I'm pretty sure that I had money for pizza when I was in college and I had to pay for school...and I didn't get handouts from my parents.
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The only reason I had money in college was because my fed loans were more than my classes cost, not because I had some other income or money from my parents.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
The only reason I had money in college was because my fed loans were more than my classes cost, not because I had some other income or money from my parents.
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I had that too, and I'm still paying that drinking money off ;)
But I also had a full time job throughout the summer, and my herd of cattle to provide me some income.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I had that too, and I'm still paying that drinking money off ;)
But I also had a full time job throughout the summer, and my herd of cattle to provide me some income.
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Cattle? I thought Darkness was suppost to be the big pimp up there at Tech. Now you were running a herd up there?? ;)
 
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fangers said:
The error in that line of thinking is, especially in hockey, most of the players still have to pay some piece of their school/room/board.
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And the error in THAT line of thinking is the idea that some help isn't any better than no help. A half schollie is worth a lot more than the amount of spending cash I ever had in college (probably total, actually).

To me, the arguments in favor of this ring particularly hollow in hockey, since you obviously don't HAVE to go to college to play hockey for a living. It's not like football where they're held hostage for three years out of high school. If you don't like what college is offering and you're good enough to not feel like you need a paid-for degree for the time being, go play CHL. You get pizza money there.

I'd like to think that if you choose to play college hockey, you're probably okay with things as is.
 
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Scally Lama said:
And the error in THAT line of thinking is the idea that some help isn't any better than no help. A half schollie is worth a lot more than the amount of spending cash I ever had in college (probably total, actually).

To me, the arguments in favor of this ring particularly hollow in hockey, since you obviously don't HAVE to go to college to play hockey for a living. It's not like football where they're held hostage for three years out of high school. If you don't like what college is offering and you're good enough to not feel like you need a paid-for degree for the time being, go play CHL. You get pizza money there.

I'd like to think that if you choose to play college hockey, you're probably okay with things as is.
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Yeah, no real argument from me on most of what you say. For the most part, the kids who play hockey come from families who can afford to provide thier kids some pizza money. My point was simply that many assume they get it all paid for, which isn't the case, and there will always be some for whom the money can be tight.
 
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joecct said:
JayPa strikes back
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"cost of attendance" 10K? What? Look, if the NCAA allows the school to pay for suits that they wouldn't otherwise buy... sure... but cell phone, car, etc. These are all quality of life extras. Anyhow... that was a beautiful article... self-interested and self-concerned, oh, absolutely, let's not pretend he's an independent arbiter.... but that being said, that really lines out all the benefits that they get. I think the issue is for the low income athlete school isn't the prestige item... its material goods and they're low on the ability to get those.
 
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The Big Ten? Why not pay athletes? The Big Ten (and lots of others) have hordes of wealthy alumni who are more than willing to pay a fortune for baubles and beads once owned and touched by their surrogate winners. Why not permit these loyal fans, starved for borrowed glory, to directly pay their rented champions? Doing so would help pay the bills of their tribe, er, favorite school, and lessen the financial if not ethical burden upon taxpayers.
 
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I have mixed emotions on this issue. I understand the possible need to cover some items which may not be covered by their scholarships and this may help. However, wouldn't it be better for the NCAA to set up a fund to cover these expenses? This proposal would destroy every small college athletic program if they have to add additional expenses to their programs. Many of them have a difficult time making ends meet now.

BUT AS A PARENT WITH TWO IN COLLEGE AND KNOWING THE EXPENSES WE ARE COVERING WHICH THE ATHELTES ARE GETTING PAID FOR IT REALLY UPSETS ME TO SAY ATHLETES ARE NOT GETTING PAID. MY KIDS WILL COME OUT OWING $100,000 - $150,000 FOR FOUR YEARS OF EDUCATION (WHICH MANY TIMES ENDS UP AS 4 1/2 OR 5 YEARS. SO DON'T TELL ME THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID.:mad:

I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THE ATHLETES THEY ARE GETTING PAID. YES COLLEGES ARE MAKING MONEY -- WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. SOMEONE WILL ALWAYS BE MAKING MONEY FROM ATHELTES WHETHER IN HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE OR THE PROS.
 
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fangers said:
Players (ie. their parents) are still required to provide medical insurance and the medical is not free, still subject to payment like any insurance claim.
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And who's going to pay for that insurance when players are no longer "amateurs" and the premiums skyrocket?
 
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bueller said:
And who's going to pay for that insurance when players are no longer "amateurs" and the premiums skyrocket?
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If the players are no longer amateurs, that makes it a professional league and the schools would have to start paying taxes on athletics. And donations are no longer deductible because they are no longer "charities" but taxable, for-profit operations.
 
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Scholarship athlete is limited by d'NCAA on how much dey can make in a job outside a school. Very limited.

Most a des kid not getting full scholrship

Et de spende quite the much time in Summer playing ockey, eh
 
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