Big Ten considers pay proposal

[5mn_Major]

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They can do that, or they can threaten that to the NCAA to get what they want.

What they really want is to stay in the NCAA but turn it into a toothless organization that can do little more than scold the BCS schools when they break the (written on paper only) rules. The BCS schools then would get the *cough* legitimacy of the NCAA without having to follow any of its rules.

The NCAA may seem like a domineering organization...but it is already a toothless organization relative to schools. Every single move it makes it does because its what the schools want. It exists 'at the schools' pleasure' and every day its reminded of that fact.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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The BCS schools then would get the *cough* legitimacy of the NCAA without having to follow any of its rules.

I'm glad you put that " *cough* " in there because the words "legitimacy of the NCAA" are comedy writ epic.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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The NCAA may seem like a domineering organization...but it is already a toothless organization relative to schools.

Unless you have a certain moniker unfavored by their political point of view.

 

[Patman]

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The NCAA may seem like a domineering organization...but it is already a toothless organization relative to schools. Every single move it makes it does because its what the schools want. It exists 'at the schools' pleasure' and every day its reminded of that fact.

Relative to CERTAIN schools... and honestly, you know better than to say that.

 

[Alton]

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If the players are no longer amateurs, that makes it a professional league and the schools would have to start paying taxes on athletics. And donations are no longer deductible because they are no longer "charities" but taxable, for-profit operations.

I don't see that this is necessarily true, any more than paying the coaches or paying the ticket-takers removes the non-profit exemption.

Universities seem to have pretty broad permission from the IRS to call all of their activities educational, and I don't see how this possible NCAA rule change proposal from the Big Ten would change that.

Pell grants (and many other non-athletic scholarships) are calculated on the basis of "cost of attendance," and the Big Ten proposal is to base NCAA scholarships on that same "cost of attendance," rather than the current "tuition, room and board." With the lobbying power of the Universities of the nation, I can't see Congress allowing this change in the basis of NCAA scholarships to have any effect on the tax-exempt status of universities.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Unless you have a certain moniker unfavored by their political point of view.

Everything the NCAA does is because it is supported by its customers, the schools. If schools were against the position, the NCAA would never consider a full court press against the nickname.

Relative to CERTAIN schools... and honestly, you know better than to say that.

Which certain schools? Its doing a tightrope walk right now between large and small...and that might make the large schools give it a push.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I don't see that this is necessarily true, any more than paying the coaches or paying the ticket-takers removes the non-profit exemption.

Universities seem to have pretty broad permission from the IRS to call all of their activities educational, and I don't see how this possible NCAA rule change proposal from the Big Ten would change that.

Pell grants (and many other non-athletic scholarships) are calculated on the basis of "cost of attendance," and the Big Ten proposal is to base NCAA scholarships on that same "cost of attendance," rather than the current "tuition, room and board." With the lobbying power of the Universities of the nation, I can't see Congress allowing this change in the basis of NCAA scholarships to have any effect on the tax-exempt status of universities.

Last I checked the Feds could use cash. Taxing what would look like a new profession sports league (and eliminating the donation deductions) could add some nice bling for them to (mis)use.

 

[dggoddard]

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Tuition assistance is not taxable but the room and board is. Throw in some spending money and the players might start having some taxable income and tax reporting issues as well.

I would guess that the vast majority of scholarship athletes don't report the room and board as taxable income.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Tuition assistance is not taxable but the room and board is. Throw in some spending money and the players might start having some taxable income and tax reporting issues as well.

I would guess that the vast majority of scholarship athletes don't report the room and board as taxable income.

I thought the worst thing in the world was an NCAA audit. I forgot about the IR(up your)S.

 

[Alton]

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Last I checked the Feds could use cash. Taxing what would look like a new profession sports league (and eliminating the donation deductions) could add some nice bling for them to (mis)use.

Last I checked, the Congress wants to be re-elected even more than they want cash for the government. Congress could tax donations to Universities' athletic teams right now if they wanted to, but they don't. There's probably a good reason that they don't--perhaps they think that their personal interests are served by not making this money taxable. A few thousand dollars more per year to some athletes won't change Congress' mind on that.

I don't see that the change from "tuition, room and board" to "cost of attendance" makes the athletes look any more professional than they do already, and it certainly won't make Congress change the tax-exempt status of major Universities (who constitute a surprisingly powerful political lobby).

 

[Patman]

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Everything the NCAA does is because it is supported by its customers, the schools. If schools were against the position, the NCAA would never consider a full court press against the nickname.

By the schools you mean "the university presidents" right?

 

[5mn_Major]

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By the schools you mean "the university presidents" right?

The NCAA is pretty much totally beholden to those charged by the state with running universities. Administration and boards of regents.

Who would you advise they listen to?

 

[SanTropez]

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Not really about just the Big Ten but I didn't know where to put this and found it interesting.


http://http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6848439/ncaa-presidents-discuss-scholarship-terms-retreat

 

[4four4]

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Commissioners from the BCS AQ conferences, many of which are flush with money from lucrative new TV deals, have supported these reforms. It's clear, however, that not all schools in Division I could afford the added costs. Simply accounting for the full cost of attendance for every athlete on campus could add more than $1 million a year to an athletic department's expense sheet at a time when most programs are operating in the red.

This helps the Big Ten for sure and since the Big Ten Hockey conference is right around the corner my guess is the conference will have an advantage over every school playing hockey.

 

[giwan]

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This helps the Big Ten for sure and since the Big Ten Hockey conference is right around the corner my guess is the conference will have an advantage over every school playing hockey.

Yes of course it will but they still have a road to travel. Those BCS AQ schools still have to wait for the NCAA to OK it and then decide how it will be doled out. I believe EVERY athlete will need to get those funds meaning the water polo team and women's lacrosse, etc, etc. Seems it would be much more then a million.

 

[Osorojo]

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By the schools you mean "the university presidents" right?

The distribution of political power within a university varies widely from one university to the next. The power within a university over specific areas, hiring and athletics for example, may be out of the university president's hands and belong to wealthy alumni or to wealthy donors with no particular connection with the school other than a desire to determine academic or athletic policy.

 

[4four4]

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Yes of course it will but they still have a road to travel. Those BCS AQ schools still have to wait for the NCAA to OK it and then decide how it will be doled out. I believe EVERY athlete will need to get those funds meaning the water polo team and women's lacrosse, etc, etc. Seems it would be much more then a million.

I agree. Currently in college hockey we have the six Big Ten schools, BC, Providence, U Conn, Notre Dame, who will surely benefit. This gives them a huge advantage over everybody else.

 

[dggoddard]

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In a semi-related note, rumors have it that Texas A&M to the SEC is a "done deal" in either 2012 or 2013 and that Texas Gov. Rick Perry [A&M alum] will be in Birmingham to help hammer out a deal.

That would send the dominoes flying again with Oklahoma potentially heading to the Big Ten. This would reunite OK & Nebraska.

http://bloghawgs.com/2011/08/10/aggageddon/

 

[4four4]

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In a semi-related note, rumors have it that Texas A&M to the SEC is a "done deal" in either 2012 or 2013 and that Texas Gov. Rick Perry [A&M alum] will be in Birmingham to help hammer out a deal.

That would send the dominoes flying again with Oklahoma potentially heading to the Big Ten. This would reunite OK & Nebraska.

http://bloghawgs.com/2011/08/10/aggageddon/

If Oklahoma is potentially heading to the Big Ten that means the Notre Dame Rumors will pop up again.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

If Oklahoma is potentially heading to the Big Ten that means the Notre Dame Rumors will pop up again.

Let's be fair, "Notre Dame to the Big Ten?" rumors pop up every few years without a reason anyway.