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Big Ten considers pay proposal

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4four4 said:
I have heard the Big Ten and other major conferences are talking about leaving the NCAA to start up their own "NCAA". This might be the first step towards that idea.
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They can do that, or they can threaten that to the NCAA to get what they want.

What they really want is to stay in the NCAA but turn it into a toothless organization that can do little more than scold the BCS schools when they break the (written on paper only) rules. The BCS schools then would get the *cough* legitimacy of the NCAA without having to follow any of its rules.
 
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Perhaps I missed it in the article, but would payment only be made available to scholarship athletes on a team, or to all athletes? If only scholarship athletes, would it be in proportion to their scholarship in any given quarter/semester/academic year? Obviously, those amounts may change for any one player over time. Lots of players on D1 hockey teams only have partial support, and not necessarily a consistent percent of costs from year to year; most teams have several walk-ons with no support. Would they get paid too? Hmmmm... :confused:

Danger Danger, Will Robinson!
 
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Priceless said:
They can do that, or they can threaten that to the NCAA to get what they want.

What they really want is to stay in the NCAA but turn it into a toothless organization that can do little more than scold the BCS schools when they break the (written on paper only) rules. The BCS schools then would get the *cough* legitimacy of the NCAA without having to follow any of its rules.
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Uh, don't they already have that?
 
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I wouldn't object to the NCAA upping the max wages earned from $2,000 to say, $5,000 for actual work. I probably wouldn't object to the idea of saying "during the time period where you are working the full 20 hours per week of allowable practice time, you get the equivalent of $5 to $8 an hour in stipend cash for that week because working a job for spending money is pretty much impossible."

Just cutting them a big old check each year? Yeah, not so much.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
If you're in a big time sports school in a revenue producing sport the school is making a ton of money off of you. Packing in 80K+ for a football game, another 10K+ for a bball game, sponsorship deals, and all that TV revenue tends to do that. It seems vastly unfair that all this revenue is being generated from these young men and they aren't even allowed to take a normal paying job to help pay for groceries, going to the movie theatre on a date, or have the money to fly home in case of a family emergency.
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I agree....Shame on the NCAA for taking advantage of the athletes... The rules are very outdated and restricts the player from moving on to the next level. ie costs for summer training or having to pay one's own way if you go to a pro development camp for more than 48 hours. I realize that it is all about staying in school but do not deny the players opportunities. .the problem is though every sport should be looked at differently.
 
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If they want to start paying athletes doesn't that make them professionals, and the schools (at least the athletic departments) "professional sports teams"?

If so, they would no longer be "academic" but "professional" and all their revenues would become taxable and donations to their programs would no longer be deductable for the donors.

Sounds like the Big Ten hasn't thought this through, or they are looking to help the Federal deficit (by providing new tax revenues).
 
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fiqure8 said:
I agree....Shame on the NCAA for taking advantage of the athletes... The rules are very outdated and restricts the player from moving on to the next level. ie costs for summer training or having to pay one's own way if you go to a pro development camp for more than 48 hours. I realize that it is all about staying in school but do not deny the players opportunities. .the problem is though every sport should be looked at differently.
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OK... if you're going to a pro development camp you're not going to be in the poorhouse much longer... you won't even be middle class. This is a lot different than not being able to afford socks... which we all know this isn't what this is about. Of course we should also note that many of these guys are going to college for free.

How many people in here are paying loans or have paid loans for school? Getting out of school without owing a dime means a lot... don't tell me they aren't being compensated or that its somehow unfair.
 
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I'm surprised the south hasn't created a league for football similar to Major Junior. That would end all of this nonsense.
 
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I have to wonder if any of this is to draw attention from the professional team in Columbus, OH.
 
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Happy said:
and, a Bull Dyke Lawyer will find a liberal activist judge that will rule that Title IX requires that all women in all other sports also get paid. end of story.
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Don't sugar coat it for us...give it to us straight !
 
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Aren't scholarships enough of a payment to athletes? Free medical, free housing, free education if they are on a full ride? This isn't fair at all to pay athletes. All the schools who do agree to pay athletes should pay students who get a GPA higher than a 3.5 in a semester. This is ridiculous; athletes are babied enough already, they don't need any more help.

If they want to get paid, go to Canada or Europe to play.
 
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PenaltyBoxBeast said:
Aren't scholarships enough of a payment to athletes? Free medical, free housing, free education if they are on a full ride? This isn't fair at all to pay athletes. All the schools who do agree to pay athletes should pay students who get a GPA higher than a 3.5 in a semester. This is ridiculous; athletes are babied enough already, they don't need any more help.

If they want to get paid, go to Canada or Europe to play.
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They should be able to get jobs imho. The argument is that they will get paid unusual amounts for no actual work, but how is it any different then what already happens?
 
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Slap Shot said:
They should be able to get jobs imho. The argument is that they will get paid unusual amounts for no actual work, but how is it any different then what already happens?
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somebody said that the students are able to make 2k during the school year and whatever during the summer... if true, how is that different than the rest of us? I know I didn't do better than that... i did fine without the benefit of a summer job for two of those years in undergrad.

edit: I will say that I didn't have a cell phone... care and feeding of one of those could have been up to 1/3rd of all the money I made during the school year.
 
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Most of the universities seeking to pay players seem to have names ending in "State." Along with privatized roads, Medicare repeal, and phasing out Social Security, salaried college athletes are a step toward smaller government through privatizing. There are promises of huge tax reductions when state universities are privatized and chiefly enroll pre-paid legacy students and revenue-producing athletes.
 
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PenaltyBoxBeast said:
Aren't scholarships enough of a payment to athletes? Free medical, free housing, free education if they are on a full ride? This isn't fair at all to pay athletes. All the schools who do agree to pay athletes should pay students who get a GPA higher than a 3.5 in a semester. This is ridiculous; athletes are babied enough already, they don't need any more help.

If they want to get paid, go to Canada or Europe to play.
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Lots of incorrect assumptions there.

Players (ie. their parents) are still required to provide medical insurance and the medical is not free, still subject to payment like any insurance claim.

The minority of players acutally get a "full ride", and even those who get a "full ride" still have to pay for a fair amount of credit hours to graduate - "full" typically equals 12 credit hours a semester, and that alone will not give the player enough hours to graduate in 4 years.

There are plenty of other students who have academic or other skill related scholarships (i.e. Art, Music) who are able to earn as much money as they can using the very skills that earned them the scholarships, athletes don't have that option.

The extra time that athletes are required to put in for practices and conditioning make it nearly impossible to hold down any kind of job as it is, which makes it really tough on some being able to have some money to spend on little things like dating, some socializing.

If you think they are so babied, trade places for a semester...
 
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What the NCAA should do is mandate that a certain profit that all the schools and conferences earn from TV deals and sponsorship deals goes into a trust fund. The amount of money a player earns from the trust funds depends on the total number of years he spent in school. For example the NCAA gets something like 800 Million a year for the NCAA tournament in mens bball. Take 200 Million of that and put it in an interest earning account. During their times as undergrads each player receives a small portion of that money for living expenses. Upon leaving colleges the players receive their payout over something say like 5 years and the amount of money they receive from it depends on how many years you played. 1 year and you get 1/4 the money a person who stayed 4 years got. This money goes to every athlete in Division one mens basketball. I'm sure something similar could be worked out for college football as well.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
What the NCAA should do is mandate that a certain profit that all the schools and conferences earn from TV deals and sponsorship deals goes into a trust fund. The amount of money a player earns from the trust funds depends on the total number of years he spent in school. For example the NCAA gets something like 800 Million a year for the NCAA tournament in mens bball. Take 200 Million of that and put it in an interest earning account. During their times as undergrads each player receives a small portion of that money for living expenses. Upon leaving colleges the players receive their payout over something say like 5 years and the amount of money they receive from it depends on how many years you played. 1 year and you get 1/4 the money a person who stayed 4 years got. This money goes to every athlete in Division one mens basketball. I'm sure something similar could be worked out for college football as well.
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nah, make them graduate to get a single dime.
 
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