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Big Ten conference discussed, rejected

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dggoddard said:
True.

The gap between what all Big 10 school receive in all media contracts and what Notre Dame receives is probably shrinking considerably. If the Big 10 landed Notre Dame, they could renegotiate their deals with ABC, ESPN & Big Ten Network to make up the difference or give Notre Dame a bigger share.

Hard to say without knowing all the numbers, but money might not be the sticking point it once was.

Obviously the Big Ten was just blown away by the 17 million households that watched the Florida-Alabama SEC championship game and wants a piece of the action.
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Agreed on the numbers and money...and I think you're spot-on with the Big Ten wanting a piece of the conference championship money pool. I'm sure the Networks feel the same. A Big Ten championship game on championship Saturday would draw a lot of viewers, more I'm sure that the ACC game...which I have to admit I forgot was even on that day.
 
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Plante26 said:
North Dakota? Thoughts?
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Only as an associate member of the dreaded BTHC. They're a freshly minted D1 school now and are not even elegiable to face Appy State in the D1-AA playoffs yet.
dggoddard said:
I think its Pitt or Notre Dame.

Pitt gives Penn State a travel partner brings the whole state of Pennsylvania into the mix. Pitt is a becoming a bigtime hoops & football school. This is probably what Paterno is angling for.

Notre Dame is all about football and if the new coach wants to join the Big 10 its hard to see the school saying no after all the coaching turmoil in recent years. I bet Notre Dame is on Alvarez's wish list. Notre Dame would bring a huge national TV audience to the cable channel.

Nebraska has always wanted to join the Big 10 after getting stuck in the minor half of the Big 12. They bring no hoops, no academic prestige and a small but rabid TV base. Can't see the Big 10 being interested.
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Yeah, but with the recent hire of their new coach there at ND, its pretty hard to not see ND regaining some of its splender of old. Brian Kelly has been a winner where ever he goes. Part of the reason why I didn't want him to go there. :mad: :mad: :mad:

RaceBoarder said:
Just curious about this By-law...

Was the rule added as a response to the whole Texas saga?
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That would be my thought as well. I would have to think that Texas would still jump at the chance at joining the Big Ten, as it does like to think of itself as being smart like the Big Ten Schools. Plus their research department would love being a part of the Big Ten agreement as well there in Austin. I don't really see the Big Ten offering the spot to Texas, but if Texas was able to sweaten the deal, like to offer to pay for travel for all of the Big Ten non-revenue sports to come to Austin perhaps for like 20 years or so, then that would be a tempting offer.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Is there a conceivable future where Notre Dame doesn't have their NBC contract?
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I think it'll be interesting when it's up for renewal what Comcast, the soon to be owner of NBC, will do with it. I have no idea how much money is made, but if it is, it'll obviously continue. Maybe Comcast would move it to Versus or another cable channel...
 
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Both Michigan and sparty have roughly a 7,000 capacity at their rinks which is significantly less than minny or wiscy but that is much more than every other school in the CCHA with the exception of ohio state. ohio state may hold more people but their average attendence is 4-5 thousand. Any ohio states will tell you that gthey get no respect as football is king in columbus.


There attendance this year is around 2500 after the Michigan and Miami series. I know OSU has more money than god (thanks to 104,000 in the Horseshoe 7-8 times a year) but there seems to be little interest in the sport in Columbus. It seems to be a more of a vanity program for the school. They just like having 36 or so athletic teams because they can, but that hockey program must be leaking red ink.

From what I understand of other Big 10 schools potential hockey startups, the best one can hope for is probably a Michigan State level of interest while most of the members are future OSUs or worse.
 
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TUSCHWI said:
That was a good article. Man that's a lot of money, a lot more than they'd get from the Big Ten Network. I'm not sure the Big 11 can wait 'till 2015 or 2016 for a 12th team.
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More money than from the BTN? Probably. But each Big Ten team gets a cut of the revenue from the BTN as well as a cut from their massive contract with ABC/ESPN.

As Dg's link shows, Notre Dame is right in the middle of the pack of the Big Ten as far as revenue goes.

Notre Dame doesn't have the advantage of being the only team on national TV anymore. Nor do they have a revenue advantage from it - and their ability to control content is slipping, as well.

That said, I think they're still stubborn enough to stay independent.
 
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thebrain said:
I think it'll be interesting when it's up for renewal what Comcast, the soon to be owner of NBC, will do with it. I have no idea how much money is made, but if it is, it'll obviously continue. Maybe Comcast would move it to Versus or another cable channel...
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I'd be all for it moving to versus as I get that channel.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
That would be my thought as well. I would have to think that Texas would still jump at the chance at joining the Big Ten, as it does like to think of itself as being smart like the Big Ten Schools. Plus their research department would love being a part of the Big Ten agreement as well there in Austin. I don't really see the Big Ten offering the spot to Texas, but if Texas was able to sweaten the deal, like to offer to pay for travel for all of the Big Ten non-revenue sports to come to Austin perhaps for like 20 years or so, then that would be a tempting offer.
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I was under the impression Texas was and still is more interested in joining the Pac-10 than the Big 12. It might have looked at both when the SWC was dissolving, but there premier plan seemed to be to grab Colorado and take its place among "peer" insitutions like Berkeley, Stanfurd, and UCLA. A combination of resistance from the Cardinal and the Texas legislature basically killed the deal. I still don't see the University getting over the latter hurdle anytime soon, even if the Big 10 came a callin'.
 
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blockski said:
More money than from the BTN? Probably. But each Big Ten team gets a cut of the revenue from the BTN as well as a cut from their massive contract with ABC/ESPN.

As Dg's link shows, Notre Dame is right in the middle of the pack of the Big Ten as far as revenue goes.

Notre Dame doesn't have the advantage of being the only team on national TV anymore. Nor do they have a revenue advantage from it - and their ability to control content is slipping, as well.

That said, I think they're still stubborn enough to stay independent.
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I forgot to add in the ABC/ESPN contract. Massive is right and Dg's link was great info. Stunned a bit that 4 of the top 6 in that list are Big Ten teams. Throw in Iowa and Mich.State at 15 and 16, wow that is so much money.

I think they are too.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:

Both Michigan and sparty have roughly a 7,000 capacity at their rinks which is significantly less than minny or wiscy but that is much more than every other school in the CCHA with the exception of ohio state. ohio state may hold more people but their average attendence is 4-5 thousand. Any ohio states will tell you that gthey get no respect as football is king in columbus.


There attendance this year is around 2500 after the Michigan and Miami series. I know OSU has more money than god (thanks to 104,000 in the Horseshoe 7-8 times a year) but there seems to be little interest in the sport in Columbus. It seems to be a more of a vanity program for the school. They just like having 36 or so athletic teams because they can, but that hockey program must be leaking red ink.

From what I understand of other Big 10 schools potential hockey startups, the best one can hope for is probably a Michigan State level of interest while most of the members are future OSUs or worse.
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I guess that 4-5K figure I came up with was only spefically for the Michigan series. Sorry, my bad. tuo$ does have a small fan-base for hockey buut it is there, see the ohio state thread on uscho.
 
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UMICHhockeyRULZ said:
Hockey is self-sustaining at Michigan meaning it doesn't need any money from the Athletic Department. All revenue from tickets, concessions, parking, etc. pays for equipment, travel, referrees, maintence, etc.

I can't tell you for sure but sparty has to get some funds from their Athletic Department. Their hole-in-the-ground never sells out any more (it use to in the 1980's) unless Michigan is in town.

Both Michigan and sparty have roughly a 7,000 capacity at their rinks which is significantly less than minny or wiscy but that is much more than every other school in the CCHA with the exception of ohio state. ohio state may hold more people but their average attendence is 4-5 thousand. Any ohio states will tell you that gthey get no respect as football is king in columbus.

I totally agree with you regarding Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Purdue not caring about Hockey.
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Illinois loves its club status and being a "big fish". Doesn't care about becoming NCAA-sanctioned.
 
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blockski said:
Dude, if Rutgers joins the Big Ten, it won't be because of hockey. I don't know how many times I can repeat that.

Football. FootballFootballFootball. And media markets.
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No, I am fully aware of this. Rutgers doesn't fit any sport for the Big Ten, including football and hockey. Besides, when has hockey ever conformed to traditional NCAA conferences (yes, i realize there was a big ten at one point).
 
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TUSCHWI said:
True that ND would bring a huge national audience but they've rejected the B11 before and I'm sure they don't want to have to share their TV $$.
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ND's TV money ain't what it used to be. Integer and SEC teams are in the same ballpark when you combine all of their various deals.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Is there a conceivable future where Notre Dame doesn't have their NBC contract?
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It would take Kelly failing, at the very least.

If Kelly is successful, then ND will be in a very good position to get a good deal from NBC or someone else when the current contract is up, which I believe is in 2015.
 
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Timothy A said:
There's no way BC would want to play against the big11 teams and lose all the time. Not to mention the long bus rides.
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:confused: :confused:

the only games big ten teams win are against each other:p what the hell are you talking about.:D

bc would be perfect. they schedule kent st and central michigan, then they'd go 5-3 in the big ten and take the "big ten 6" spot in the toro leaf blower bowl.

heck, i'd hate it because they'd probably win the stupid conference and finally get their BCS bowl game, where they can lose to usc like everyone else.

(unless of course you meant basketball ;) )
 
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