Big Ten conference discussed, rejected

[cycledown]

Re: Big Ten conference discussed, rejected

WSummers

Notre Dame has nothing to with the BTHC issue. Nothing. The BTHC would NOT need Notre Dame to exists. The BTHC would come to fruition by satisfying many variables.

Title IX
The by-laws from the schools within the conference
Realignment agreements from the other schools outside the BT

now there may be some other aspects that I am not aware of but Notre Dame is not part of the issue and definately not a variable to succeed.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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Well, they have been streaming games on BTN.com all season, but since it's three bucks a game I haven't watched one live yet. Sometimes they do show the replay on BTN, but whoever the students are that do the camera work for MSU hockey are awful, so it's practically unwatchable.

Yea, three dollars a game for a sparty alum is a lot. McDonald's doesn't pay that well.

And what do you expect from sparty students? They are either drunk or hung-over, not to mention they are mentally challenged so good camera work is impossible.

8 games is "on BTN regularly"? With the first one 3.5 months AFTER the season started. And not televising the CHS which features Big Ten teams...

How is "Step One" even close to done?

Look at who you are dealing with NorthStar? Don't even try to start an actual logical discussion with a sparty.

 

[cycledown]

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I would love to see Iowa play Big Blue at Yost!!!!! What an awsome arena and a very strong selling point for all hockey programs outside the wolverinne program. Where do I sign up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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I would love to see Iowa play Big Blue at Yost!!!!! What an awsome arena and a very strong selling point for all hockey programs outside the wolverinne program. Where do I sign up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a UM Hockey fan and UM Alumnus who attended every hockey game while I was there, plus many after graduation, I wouldn't say that Yost is an awesome arena. Yes, the atmosphere of Yost is tremendous and even when empty you can just feel the Maize & Blue ooze all over you (which for Michigan fans is awesome, not so much for everyone else) but the arena is old. I've heard a lot of old people claim that it is cold in Yost (I disagree but I stand the entire game), the food sucks and is over-priced (I can agree with that), Yost has wooden bleachers (I don't care as I stand), the structure is old (as evidenced by having to post-pone a series a couple of years ago due to "falling debris" on the outside of the building, etc.

All that being said I don't want a new rink, yes Yost is a great place for Hockey if you are a Michigan fan. However, I just can't see a Club team wanting to get waxed by Michigan there (this season withstanding)...

 

[cycledown]

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What!!!!! .....you are way off. I said nothing of a club team going there to get waxed by the mighty Blue. It was a hypothetical reference if Iowa was varsity. Any hockey player would love to play there and it would be a selling point for recruitment, remember the players aren't eating the food, they are on the ice playing the game. Princeton has Baker Rink from the early 1900's that makes Yost symbolically historical genius.

 

[wsummers]

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WSummers

Notre Dame has nothing to with the BTHC issue. Nothing. The BTHC would NOT need Notre Dame to exists. The BTHC would come to fruition by satisfying many variables.

Title IX
The by-laws from the schools within the conference
Realignment agreements from the other schools outside the BT

now there may be some other aspects that I am not aware of but Notre Dame is not part of the issue and definately not a variable to succeed.

Here's how I see Notre Dame as a key....Currently there are only 5 BT schools with men's DI hockey. Since 6 teams are currently needed for an autobid (yeah, it could be changed) the assumption is that at least 6 teams would be needed for a separate BT league (as opposed to the currently discussed league within two leagues). Some have suggested at least 7 would be preferred for scheduling reasons, plus at that number it would probably be difficult for the BT schools to stay in their current leagues and still play each other 2 games a year.

I'm not aware of any other current BT schools seriously considering adding men's DI hockey at this time (that would be where Title IX would fit in).

Looking at who would be the most likely 12th team to be added to the BT, only Notre Dame of those mentioned currently has DI hockey. Therefore, only Notre Dame would instantly provide a 6th team.

In summary, I don't see a separate BT conference (just a scheduling arrangement where all BT schools schedule each other and determine a BT title) unless the talked about 12th school currently has a DI program.

 

[cycledown]

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No not at all, BTHC is for BT schools, ND is not a BT school and just recently declined membership in the conference. The BTHC will not happen with 6 to 8 schools and then filling in with schools outside the BT, the conference will only exist when all schools in the conference go varsity. Sorry ND bidded themselves out.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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What!!!!! .....you are way off. I said nothing of a club team going there to get waxed by the mighty Blue. It was a hypothetical reference if Iowa was varsity. Any hockey player would love to play there and it would be a selling point for recruitment, remember the players aren't eating the food, they are on the ice playing the game. Princeton has Baker Rink from the early 1900's that makes Yost symbolically historical genius.

You don't go from Club to a qualty D-1 level program capable of competeing with Michigan (most years) over-night. Sorry but I just don't see Iowa being able to compete with Michigan Hockey in my life-time.

What you are trying to say is that Iowa should start D-1 programs for both men and women (Title IX remember) so that the Iowa Hockey team can be humiliated twice every other year at Yost. That doesn't make sense. It kind of counds like you are using Barry Alvarez logic here...

 

[cycledown]

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No. One day Iowa is going to go Varsity and Play Michigan at Yost. If (remember if is a hypothetical word) Iowa needed something to recriut players Yost could be a selling point.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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No. One day Iowa is going to go Varsity and Play Michigan at Yost. If (remember if is a hypothetical word) Iowa needed something to recriut players Yost could be a selling point.

Will either of us be alive to see it? And once again, if one weekend every other year is your tactic in recruiting good luck...

 

[cycledown]

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Yes we wiil both be alive to see it, and of course using Yost wouldn't be my only tactic to recruit.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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Yes we wiil both be alive to see it, and of course using Yost wouldn't be my only tactic to recruit.

Uh, no we wouldn't be alive to see it.

 

[Larch]

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You don't go from Club to a qualty D-1 level program capable of competeing with Michigan (most years) over-night. Sorry but I just don't see Iowa being able to compete with Michigan Hockey in my life-time.

I've never understood this argument. You really think they would suck for your lifetime? Is it going to be a short lifetime? UNO has been able to compete and they started out new and don't have near the "name" as an Iowa might. Would they right away, absolutely not, but to say your lifetime is short-sighted. That said...

No. One day Iowa is going to go Varsity and Play Michigan at Yost. If (remember if is a hypothetical word) Iowa needed something to recriut players Yost could be a selling point.

You're going to use another schools barn to recruit for your team? Wow, you really plan to build something big don't you. Will the recruitment line run along these lines? "Ignore our barn, the one you will play in half the games of your career, but look at Michigan's old building, you will get to play two games a year there as a hated visitor". If Michigan and Iowa are recruiting me, I'm going to Michigan if Iowa thinks it's so nice.

I have no evidence except 25 years of experience following big ten sports. There is money to made, which is what drives a huge percentage of all college athletics. There is absolutely no chance that any of the schools will refuse to participate. Membership in the B10 brings hundreds of millions of dollars of benefit to each school, sports wise and academically. That trumps just about any argument. Besides, it is really the only way to grow hockey revenue at B10 schools like UW and Minnesota. The way the B10 works is that things are discussed, for the most part decided, and then the details are really worked out while the decisions are slowly leaked out publically.

Maybe at Wisconsin the revenue will be able to be increased, but the UM sells out everything and has 95% of games on TV. The games aren't going to attract that much more of a TV audience to really make that contract bigger. If you leave MN out of the revenue talk, you might be able to convince us.

Like it or not, BTHC is a done deal. I realize Maturi "said no", but realistically the Univ. of Minn. gets more benefits in one day from being a member of the Big Ten than a member of the WCHA for the entire decade. There is no way the Chancellor of Minnesota doesn't tell him to shut up and play OSU, MSU, and UM every year. Alvarez painted him into a corner by dropping the Big Ten College Showcase and scheduling OSU instead. I'm still predicting next year, but may be 2011-2012.

So Alvarez dropped two Big10 Teams to play one Big10 team? That makes a ton of sense.

 

[cycledown]

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Larch

What are you talking about? What coach uses 1 sentence to recruit players?
Of course coaches use their own resources on campus to recruit and not all of those recruits are going to go play for the Blue. If a hockey player is anti-michigan, a coach could use Yost to his advantage by any motivational factor(s). The Yost factor wouldn't be the major recruiting line, but if I'm a decent hockey player and cant play at Michigan I would consider Iowa on those factors and some other recruits might as well.

 

[bronconick]

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It's highly unlikely that anyone will be adding sports at D-1 in the midwest for the short to intermediate future, with the economy weakest here and population trickling out. Especially not an expensive sport like hockey, and the expectation that a Big-10 school would want to do it "right" with at least an AHL quality arena (7,000+) available to play in within a couple years of starting up.

The *earliest* I'd think that you would see something is probably the 2nd half of this decade.

On top of that, hockey isn't all that attractive of a sport to the other B10 schools. Sure, Wisconsin and Minnesota are pulling 12k and 10k respectively, and Michigan's selling out their 6,700 seat arena. Michigan State's down around 4,700 this season. However, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin are hockey states. Ohio isn't as much of one, and it shows, since OSU is putting 2,558 people in a 17,500 seat arena. That average is *after* Michigan has visited this year.

Odds are that teams in Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, and Pennsylvania would have attendance closer to Ohio State and Michigan State than Wisconsin, and their AD's know that. I don't think they're rushing out to find architects to put up arenas because the Big Ten network wants to show hockey on friday nights.

 

[cycledown]

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Bronco. I think you are right about schools apprehensive about starting hockey programs due to economics, but in the lower levels of hockey the game has grown tremendously in the state of Iowa.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Larch

What are you talking about? What coach uses 1 sentence to recruit players?
Of course coaches use their own resources on campus to recruit and not all of those recruits are going to go play for the Blue. If a hockey player is anti-michigan, a coach could use Yost to his advantage by any motivational factor(s). The Yost factor wouldn't be the major recruiting line, but if I'm a decent hockey player and cant play at Michigan I would consider Iowa on those factors and some other recruits might as well.

So what, Ferris, Western, LSSU, Northern and Bowling Green all can make that arguement right now.

 

[The Rube]

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Larch

What are you talking about? What coach uses 1 sentence to recruit players?
Of course coaches use their own resources on campus to recruit and not all of those recruits are going to go play for the Blue. If a hockey player is anti-michigan, a coach could use Yost to his advantage by any motivational factor(s). The Yost factor wouldn't be the major recruiting line, but if I'm a decent hockey player and cant play at Michigan I would consider Iowa on those factors and some other recruits might as well.

Like how they consider MTU, NMU, UAA, LSSU, etc, right?

This discussion has reached a whole 'nother level of stupid.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Like how they consider MTU, NMU, UAA, LSSU, etc, right?

This discussion has reached a whole 'nother level of stupid.

Look who's involved...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Look who's involved...

Good to see Larry as delusional as ever.