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Big Ten conference discussed, rejected
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Rutgers has always been mentioned as a potential addition to the Big Ten. They're an excellent public research university, with solid athletics and in the very lucrative NYC media market.
Nobody's suggesting that they'd be an addition to a Big Ten Hockey Conference, mind you.
Still, whenever the subject comes up, the common list is almost always: Pitt, Rutgers, and Syracuse in the east - Mizzou, Nebraska, Iowa State, and Notre Dame in the midwest.
Rutgers has always been mentioned as a potential addition to the Big Ten. They're an excellent public research university, with solid athletics and in the very lucrative NYC media market.
Nobody's suggesting that they'd be an addition to a Big Ten Hockey Conference, mind you.
Still, whenever the subject comes up, the common list is almost always: Pitt, Rutgers, and Syracuse in the east - Mizzou, Nebraska, Iowa State, and Notre Dame in the midwest.
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If the by-law meant nothing, it never would've been put there in the first place. At the very least, it obviously shows that the schools have a preference for teams in the current footprint.
If the by-law meant nothing, it never would've been put there in the first place. At the very least, it obviously shows that the schools have a preference for teams in the current footprint.
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Not a member of the AAU, has only been D1 in all sports for a year or two.
Not a member of the AAU, has only been D1 in all sports for a year or two.
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As in the Bison? Nope. They can't be a NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision.
As in the Bison? Nope. They can't be a NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I just can't picture a team that far east trying to break into the big ten. It has zero ties to the big ten (or the entire midwest for that matter). It would be better served (along with penn state) to be put in hockey east or ECAC.
I just can't picture a team that far east trying to break into the big ten. It has zero ties to the big ten (or the entire midwest for that matter). It would be better served (along with penn state) to be put in hockey east or ECAC.
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Dude, if Rutgers joins the Big Ten, it won't be because of hockey. I don't know how many times I can repeat that.
Football. FootballFootballFootball. And media markets.
Dude, if Rutgers joins the Big Ten, it won't be because of hockey. I don't know how many times I can repeat that.
Football. FootballFootballFootball. And media markets.
BoomGoestheDynamite
Registered User
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I think some people have failed to grasp that they're two sports that stir the Conference's drink, and hockey isn't one of them.
I think some people have failed to grasp that they're two sports that stir the Conference's drink, and hockey isn't one of them.
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What I believe hearing of these teams. Rutgers - too distant, not a big name. Iowa State - lukewarm on both sides. Notre Dame - serious interest as a normal conference member by the B11 only. Mizzou, Nebraska - interest from B11, two schools are happy w B12. Unless you can get a colorado school, you just run out of population heading west for a top rank school.
Which leaves Pitt and the 'cuse. Pitts decent but Syracuse seems like most interesting natural fit too me. Big name school with historic strong performance in athletics. Can effectively turn upstate NY into Bten country...and probably some of NYC. From a hockey standpoint, they just added womens hockey and are one of the leading candidates to add mens. They're surrounded by an area seeing a recent upswing in hockey enthusiasm...I believe Pat Kane is from the area. Syracuse would make things interesting.
What I believe hearing of these teams. Rutgers - too distant, not a big name. Iowa State - lukewarm on both sides. Notre Dame - serious interest as a normal conference member by the B11 only. Mizzou, Nebraska - interest from B11, two schools are happy w B12. Unless you can get a colorado school, you just run out of population heading west for a top rank school.
Which leaves Pitt and the 'cuse. Pitts decent but Syracuse seems like most interesting natural fit too me. Big name school with historic strong performance in athletics. Can effectively turn upstate NY into Bten country...and probably some of NYC. From a hockey standpoint, they just added womens hockey and are one of the leading candidates to add mens. They're surrounded by an area seeing a recent upswing in hockey enthusiasm...I believe Pat Kane is from the area. Syracuse would make things interesting.
dggoddard
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I think its Pitt or Notre Dame.
Pitt gives Penn State a travel partner brings the whole state of Pennsylvania into the mix. Pitt is a becoming a bigtime hoops & football school. This is probably what Paterno is angling for.
Notre Dame is all about football and if the new coach wants to join the Big 10 its hard to see the school saying no after all the coaching turmoil in recent years. I bet Notre Dame is on Alvarez's wish list. Notre Dame would bring a huge national TV audience to the cable channel.
Nebraska has always wanted to join the Big 10 after getting stuck in the minor half of the Big 12. They bring no hoops, no academic prestige and a small but rabid TV base. Can't see the Big 10 being interested.
I think its Pitt or Notre Dame.
Pitt gives Penn State a travel partner brings the whole state of Pennsylvania into the mix. Pitt is a becoming a bigtime hoops & football school. This is probably what Paterno is angling for.
Notre Dame is all about football and if the new coach wants to join the Big 10 its hard to see the school saying no after all the coaching turmoil in recent years. I bet Notre Dame is on Alvarez's wish list. Notre Dame would bring a huge national TV audience to the cable channel.
Nebraska has always wanted to join the Big 10 after getting stuck in the minor half of the Big 12. They bring no hoops, no academic prestige and a small but rabid TV base. Can't see the Big 10 being interested.
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I would take Pitt over Syracuse. I don't know why, but I think Pitt would be more keen to leave Big East basketball than Syracuse, and Pitt's upside in football (I think) is greater.
I would also be fine with either Nebraska or Mizzou, but despite the Big 12's inequities, I can't see either of them leaving.
Rutgers has a lot of growth potential, and fits the academic requirements.
Louisville, WVU, Iowa State do not.
I would take Pitt over Syracuse. I don't know why, but I think Pitt would be more keen to leave Big East basketball than Syracuse, and Pitt's upside in football (I think) is greater.
I would also be fine with either Nebraska or Mizzou, but despite the Big 12's inequities, I can't see either of them leaving.
Rutgers has a lot of growth potential, and fits the academic requirements.
Louisville, WVU, Iowa State do not.
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Pitt would be a good choice for the reasons mentioned above. The only thing the Big (11) Ten cares about is $$ and that means football and basketball. Hockey is a money-maker here at Wisconsin and Minnesota I assume (I'm not sure about the Michigan schools) but Illinois, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana could care less about hockey.
True that ND would bring a huge national audience but they've rejected the B11 before and I'm sure they don't want to have to share their TV $$.
For what its worth, I think Syracuse played football against a lot of Big11 teams this season.
Pitt would be a good choice for the reasons mentioned above. The only thing the Big (11) Ten cares about is $$ and that means football and basketball. Hockey is a money-maker here at Wisconsin and Minnesota I assume (I'm not sure about the Michigan schools) but Illinois, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana could care less about hockey.
True that ND would bring a huge national audience but they've rejected the B11 before and I'm sure they don't want to have to share their TV $$.
For what its worth, I think Syracuse played football against a lot of Big11 teams this season.
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Is there a conceivable future where Notre Dame doesn't have their NBC contract?
I know that it doesn't exactly make it a slam dunk for ND joining the Big Televen, but it certainly removes the #1 incentive for Notre Dame to remain independent.
Is there a conceivable future where Notre Dame doesn't have their NBC contract?
I know that it doesn't exactly make it a slam dunk for ND joining the Big Televen, but it certainly removes the #1 incentive for Notre Dame to remain independent.
UMICHhockeyRULZ
A guy who loves Blue Ice...
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Hockey is self-sustaining at Michigan meaning it doesn't need any money from the Athletic Department. All revenue from tickets, concessions, parking, etc. pays for equipment, travel, referrees, maintence, etc.
I can't tell you for sure but sparty has to get some funds from their Athletic Department. Their hole-in-the-ground never sells out any more (it use to in the 1980's) unless Michigan is in town.
Both Michigan and sparty have roughly a 7,000 capacity at their rinks which is significantly less than minny or wiscy but that is much more than every other school in the CCHA with the exception of ohio state. ohio state may hold more people but their average attendence is 4-5 thousand. Any ohio states will tell you that gthey get no respect as football is king in columbus.
I totally agree with you regarding Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Purdue not caring about Hockey.
Hockey is self-sustaining at Michigan meaning it doesn't need any money from the Athletic Department. All revenue from tickets, concessions, parking, etc. pays for equipment, travel, referrees, maintence, etc.
I can't tell you for sure but sparty has to get some funds from their Athletic Department. Their hole-in-the-ground never sells out any more (it use to in the 1980's) unless Michigan is in town.
Both Michigan and sparty have roughly a 7,000 capacity at their rinks which is significantly less than minny or wiscy but that is much more than every other school in the CCHA with the exception of ohio state. ohio state may hold more people but their average attendence is 4-5 thousand. Any ohio states will tell you that gthey get no respect as football is king in columbus.
I totally agree with you regarding Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Purdue not caring about Hockey.
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Good question. It seems to me that when NBC re-upped the TV contract, it was for a good number of years. I just checked and the current contract goes through 2015. Given ND's lack of success the last decade+ and tough economic times, I wonder if NBC will be as generous next time the contract is up?
Good question. It seems to me that when NBC re-upped the TV contract, it was for a good number of years. I just checked and the current contract goes through 2015. Given ND's lack of success the last decade+ and tough economic times, I wonder if NBC will be as generous next time the contract is up?
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dggoddard
New member
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Good NY Times this article this week about the TV contract.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/sports/ncaafootball/11sandomir.html
NBC has Notre Dame locked up until 2015 @ $15 million per year.
Good NY Times this article this week about the TV contract.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/sports/ncaafootball/11sandomir.html
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
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In other words: it's pretty safe to assume it'll be renewed after 2015.
In other words: it's pretty safe to assume it'll be renewed after 2015.
dggoddard
New member
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The gap between what all Big 10 school receive in all media contracts and what Notre Dame receives is probably shrinking considerably. If the Big 10 landed Notre Dame, they could renegotiate their deals with ABC, ESPN & Big Ten Network to make up the difference or give Notre Dame a bigger share.
Hard to say without knowing all the numbers, but money might not be the sticking point it once was.
Obviously the Big Ten was just blown away by the 17 million households that watched the Florida-Alabama SEC championship game and wants a piece of the action.
True.
The gap between what all Big 10 school receive in all media contracts and what Notre Dame receives is probably shrinking considerably. If the Big 10 landed Notre Dame, they could renegotiate their deals with ABC, ESPN & Big Ten Network to make up the difference or give Notre Dame a bigger share.
Hard to say without knowing all the numbers, but money might not be the sticking point it once was.
Obviously the Big Ten was just blown away by the 17 million households that watched the Florida-Alabama SEC championship game and wants a piece of the action.
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RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
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Just curious about this By-law...
Was the rule added as a response to the whole Texas saga?
Just curious about this By-law...
Was the rule added as a response to the whole Texas saga?