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Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

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I don't agree with this. It would have gotten even more information into the public record. That is important. Not everything is purely tactical, and predictions of how tactics work out are frequently wrong.

MLK said it is always the right time to do the right thing.

Exactly and this was part of my point. Not to mention they also concluded their investigation in the House too quickly.

How Democrats Are Botching the Fight Over Impeachment Witnesses—and Republicans, Too

The time that Speaker Nancy Pelosi wanted to devote to impeaching Trump over Ukraine fell short of the time it would take to thoroughly investigate Ukraine, so impeachment took precedence and the investigation gave way. The House scored some meaningful witnesses, especially U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, but in a more deliberate process, it would have kept working its way up the food chain of Trump officials and digging into Rudy Giuliani’s skullduggery.

Since there wasn’t time to do this before a pre-Christmas impeachment, the House didn’t try. It failed to subpoena John Bolton, whose testimony is now said to be absolutely central to the integrity of a Senate trial.

When a Bolton deputy Charles Kupperman went to court over his House subpoena — seeking definitive guidance on whether privilege applied to his potential testimony — the House dropped the subpoena in a transparently cynical move. It feared any delay, and perhaps an unwelcome ruling by the judge. So it forgot about getting the testimony of a witness it had wanted.

The disturbing Lev Parnas documents just turned over to the House and released publicly are a boon to the Democrats. But the House impeached about a month before getting them. Indeed, if Pelosi hadn’t delayed transmitting the articles in a futile attempt to pressure Mitch McConnell, the Senate trial could conceivably have ended before the release of the documents. Pelosi’s defenders say this is a vindication of her stall, but it’s more of an indictment of her rush to impeach.

Even now, the documents raise questions that would be natural to answer in an impeachment inquiry — if the inquiry hadn’t already ended.

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff says one difference between then and now is that the witnesses in the Clinton impeachment had already been deposed. But that’s because independent counsel Ken Starr fought out the privilege battles with the Clinton White House, and won. In contrast, Schiff and Co. just added obstruction to the articles of impeachment, and began to browbeat the Senate to take up the fight for witnesses.

Also the Dems could have played more hardball with respect to the Rethuglicans refusing to participate in the House proceedings.

So what should the House do instead? Let me suggest two ways that it can play some constitutional hardball of its own, matching the White House’s aggressive tactics.

Refusal to comply with a duly authorized subpoena from Congress constitutes contempt of Congress. Contempt of Congress is a crime, and there is a mechanism for referring such cases to federal prosecutors. The problem, of course, is that federal prosecutors answer to the attorney general and, through him, to the White House, and they refuse to prosecute contempts committed by executive officials. In recent decades, congressional houses have sought a court order requiring executive officials to comply with their subpoenas, but that has all the problems described above.

The House should instead put back on the table the option of using its sergeant-at-arms to arrest contemnors — as the person in violation of the order is called — especially when an individual, like Rudy Giuliani, is not an executive branch official. Neither house of Congress has arrested anyone since 1935, but it was not uncommon before that point (and was blessed by the Supreme Court in 1927). Indeed, on at least two occasions, the second in 1916, a house of Congress had its sergeant arrest an executive branch official. (In that case, the Supreme Court eventually ruled against the House, not because it did not have the power to arrest for contempt, but rather because the offense — writing a nasty public letter to a House subcommittee — could not properly be understood as contempt of Congress.)

One of those less extreme options would be using the power of the purse. The government is currently funded through Nov. 21. There is nothing stopping the House from putting a provision in the next funding bill that zeros out funding for the White House Counsel’s Office. House leadership could announce that, so long as the counsel’s office is producing bad legal argumentation designed for no purpose other than protecting the president from constitutional checks, the American people should not have to pay for it.

Of course, the Senate could try to strip that rider, or President Trump could veto the bill, but if the House held firm, the administration’s choice would be to mollify the House by turning over subpoenaed information, accept the defunding of the counsel’s office, or accept the partial government shutdown that would come with failure to pass the appropriations bill.

One could argue until they're blue in the face it would not have mattered (as in a conviction in the Senate) and that claim misses the forest for the trees.
 
How did they fumble up the Impeachment? He was impeached. No matter what evidence they had he was never going to be removed. No offense but you are kind of babbling and making little sense here...

They can ***** and moan all they want after November...it wont matter. Chances are they wont have the power to do anything. They made the mistake of exposing to the world who they really are.

No offense but you are the problem, not the answer.

So accept what comes. Liberals will have a hard time trying to regain majorities as they don’t have the stomach for the fights . Republicans are all over that. The jury(senate) needed to be convinced of guilt. What we had was a lot of “not enough votes” crap. Really? Nice effort. The impeachment trial should still be ongoing but the will to fight it out in courts wasn’t there. The only concern was re-elections and not losing voters.
So, accept what is coming as their is no valid resistance to whatever el dumbo and his lemmings decide to do.
 
Update of 538's aggregate polling.

Code:
Biden leads:

9.0 MI
7.7 PA
7.5 WI
6.8 FL
2.8 NC
2.5 AZ
2.1 OH
0.9 GA

Dump leads:

0.4 TX
0.7 IA

EV for these numbers:

Biden 368 Dump 170
 
Update of 538's aggregate polling.

Code:
Biden leads:

9.0 MI
7.7 PA
7.5 WI
6.8 FL
2.8 NC
2.5 AZ
2.1 OH
0.9 GA

Dump leads:

0.4 TX
0.7 IA

EV for these numbers:

Biden 368 Dump 170

Increasingly evident that the most important factor now is the commitment each of us makes to volunteer locally to get people to the polls.
 
No offense but you are the problem, not the answer.

So accept what comes. Liberals will have a hard time trying to regain majorities as they don’t have the stomach for the fights . Republicans are all over that. The jury(senate) needed to be convinced of guilt. What we had was a lot of “not enough votes” crap. Really? Nice effort. The impeachment trial should still be ongoing but the will to fight it out in courts wasn’t there. The only concern was re-elections and not losing voters.
So, accept what is coming as their is no valid resistance to whatever el dumbo and his lemmings decide to do.

No offense...but blow me. You know nothing about me, what I think, how I act or what I expect. So please spare me your attempts to try and analyze me.

You know for someone who seems to want the fight...you sure as hell wimped out in this post. "Accept what is coming" sounds almost Trumpian.

What's funny is, you probably posted this thinking it is an original and clever post...when there have been many of us posting this same thing for the past 4 years. Hell Scooby has been doing it since he started posting here. (and he does it way better) If you would have been here back when Impeachment was first discussed you would have seen me post the exact same thing. The difference is my opinion changes based on circumstance. I am not so itching to fight one man that I ignore the people around me who are just as big of a threat.

I am not the problem...people looking only for the fight and not paying attention to what is going on around them are the problem. Being myopic doesnt make you strong and smart...it makes you vulnerable.
 
“No offense...but blow me”. Classy.
Not into that....
Don’t like it when someone comes back at ya? Sure you ain’t a trumpette in disguise? Sure act like one. Your moronic, childish, psychotic postings add nothing other then giving you another hardon. Blowhards, seeing as that’s your “thing”, are usually all talk. Louder they talk, the more they can’t be believed.
Your first 2 paragraphs says it all. I suggest you follow your own guidance before you try it on me.
 
Was I supposed to be "classy"? Is this part of the new board? Damn man we need to put the rules up cause I just cant keep all the changes straight.

You are right...my first two paragraphs do say it all. Problem is you dont seem to know what they are saying. Its all good though now your little slapfights with Jeb make more sense :-)

As for the rest of your little diatribe:

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Have a good day :-)
 
Increasingly evident that the most important factor now is the commitment each of us makes to volunteer locally to get people to the polls.

And every one of us with legal experience should be volunteering to contest whatever fraud Barr has planned. We need to document everything these ratf-ckers do, first to thwart them and then to send every one of them to federal PITA prison.
 
Everyone involved with that family (the Kardashians) should be shot into the Sun...

A harsher punishment would be forcing them to live the remainder of their days in a 3 bedroom ranch in Modesto (per family) and prohibited from being photographed.
 
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