Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

I've always thought this was the obvious solution. Living way the heck out in the middle of nowhere now I actually understand why rural people who have grown up with guns and are comfortable with them like having them around. OTOH, having lived in a city I understand how batsht crazy it is to insist on having every idiot in my subway car packing. These are two completely different cultures -- let them set their own guidance.

The problem with guns is the NRA has managed to hijack the interpretation of the Second Amendment as if it's the only constitutional freedom that's completely open-ended. There are limits on every other right, but when you get to guns the herpa-derps draw the line. Brilliant job by the gun industry; terrible public policy.

Oh, and the NRA doesn't even allow the second amendment at their national meetings. More like hypocrites to me. However, the ACLU can be the same way with other parts of the Constitution, and even then, it's only open-ended for certain groups. Remember that Footloose scene I talked about before? Perfect application here.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Failure to properly use a belt or suspenders is now cause for death without trial. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-arrest-man-sagging-pants-tase-him-leave-face-cell-died/

 

[Priceless]

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How dare he make eye contact with a police officer!? You are supposed to approach with your head lowered, and always below that of the officer to show your submission properly.

Gray, 25, was taken into custody April 12 after police ‘‘made eye contact’’ with him and another man in an area known for drug activity, police said. Gray was handcuffed and put in a transport van. At some point during his roughly 30-minute ride, the van was stopped and Gray’s legs were shackled when an officer felt he was becoming ‘‘irate,’’ police said.

Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said that Gray asked for an inhaler, and then several times asked for medical care. He was eventually rushed to a hospital.

Gray died Sunday — a week after his arrest — of what Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez described as ‘‘a significant spinal injury.’’

Exactly how he was injured and what happened in the van is still not known.

We all know what happened. A man who was handcuffed and shackled committed suicide. Case closed.

‘‘They've made concessions on lack of probable cause,’’ attorney Billy Murphy said. ‘‘Running while black is not probable cause. Felony running doesn’t exist, and you can’t arrest someone for looking you in the eye.’’

Sure they can. And they did.

 

[The Sicatoka]

And when I go to the local minor league ballpark, I'm comforted that the drunken idiot three rows back isn't carrying a weapon.

How's this, you can play Red Dawn on your farm as much as you want if you'll let us city folk police ourselves as we see fit, too. And that might mean you needing to leave your guns at the city limits should you choose to meander into town from your friend's coyote infested barn.

That dude in the ballpark is already breaking a couple laws in my state if he's carrying:
- drunk in public (c) Ron White
- carrying at a sporting event (I can't do that even with my carry permit)

Having said that, let's go back to that "how do we change the human heart to be law abiding" comment here.

I wasn't playing "Red Dawn". I wasn't playing at all. I was walking to a piece of farm equipment to move it so I could use his private target range. (Apparently doggy was using the range already.)

That "leave 'em at the town line" thing worked really well in the old West too. Wyatt Earp can explain.

 

[The Sicatoka]

I've always thought this was the obvious solution. Living way the heck out in the middle of nowhere now I actually understand why rural people who have grown up with guns and are comfortable with them like having them around. OTOH, having lived in a city I understand how batsht crazy it is to insist on having every idiot in my subway car packing. These are two completely different cultures -- let them set their own guidance.

C'mon Kep, "insist" on "packing". No one is saying that.

As far as cultures, definitely. When you have coyotes or mountain lions or moose walking through your yard you view a firearm as kind of important. (Yes, moose: they are nasty, especially mothers with calves.)

But let's look honestly at the "no guns" town of Chicago. It's not a safe place. And the guns are already forbidden. So, it's worked really well .... for the two-legged coyotes.

 

[The Rube]

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Arm everyone. Let Darwin's Law figure it out. (only sorta serious). Let the current laws ACTUALLY BE ENFORCED to get a gun. If you want to add laws, concentrate on gun safety. How many times have we heard "from an unlocked cabinet" or "unsecure place" when kids/etc obtain guns? Not good. Then fully prosecute. The lack of gun SAFETY is a leading cause to gun crap.

 

[Priceless]

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C'mon Kep, "insist" on "packing". No one is saying that.

Nope. No one.

 

[Jimjamesak]

As far as cultures, definitely. When you have coyotes or mountain lions or moose walking through your yard you view a firearm as kind of important. (Yes, moose: they are nasty, especially mothers with calves.)

* that. Anchorage has moose and bears running around all over the place and we're not shooting them left and right. In fact if you did shoot one, you're 99% likely to be in serious trouble with the law.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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* that. Anchorage has moose and bears running around all over the place and we're not shooting them left and right. In fact if you did shoot one, you're 99% likely to be in serious trouble with the law.

He's not saying just shoot them because they're there...he's saying it's nice to have a way to defend yourself if you come across them and they attack.

 

[Jimjamesak]

He's not saying just shoot them because they're there...he's saying it's nice to have a way to defend yourself if you come across them and they attack.

I didn't mention anything about shooting them because they are there either. I'm questioning his need for a gun in this situation. "Nice to have" isn't justification to own something dangerous. Australia has pretty tough gun laws and plenty of open country yet they don't have much trouble with wild animal attacks. Even in Alaska, in the situation he mentioned, he'd face some tough questions.

 

[unofan]

C'mon Kep, "insist" on "packing". No one is saying that.

As far as cultures, definitely. When you have coyotes or mountain lions or moose walking through your yard you view a firearm as kind of important. (Yes, moose: they are nasty, especially mothers with calves.)

But let's look honestly at the "no guns" town of Chicago. It's not a safe place. And the guns are already forbidden. So, it's worked really well .... for the two-legged coyotes.

The guns were forbidden. That stopped being enforceable awhile ago.

 

[unofan]

That dude in the ballpark is already breaking a couple laws in my state if he's carrying:
- drunk in public (c) Ron White
- carrying at a sporting event (I can't do that even with my carry permit)

Having said that, let's go back to that "how do we change the human heart to be law abiding" comment here.

And I reiterate my response to that comment, by that logic we wouldn't have laws against murder, either. Fark that.

You want a gun to protect yourself on your farm, go for it. But stop trying to force us to let you carry them in the city and wherever else you wander.

 

[Priceless]

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If you are fortunate enough to see a moose in the wild and your first thought is, "I've got to shoot it with a gun!" you really need to see a psychiatrist. If you are hunting a moose, that is one thing. When I was a kid there was a moose that would walk right up to the house when we first moved in. We were the third house in what became a huge development and we were encroaching on his territory. Shooting him never crossed my mind.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Nope. No one.

Well heck, it's worked for the most peaceful nation on earth, Switzerland.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

Folks, I've been working in a garden in a farm yard and had a mama moose with calf walk out of the tree line to start eating corn 30 yards from me. Mama didn't realize I was there; if I'd have spooked her she'd have thought me to be a threat and I wouldn't have come away with my pulse. In that same yard, after a new snow, there have been mountain lion tracks. And every night the yard is serenaded to the sweet sounds of coyote howls from that same tree line.

I'm not hunting; I'm not looking to shoot anything; I'm not seeking out confrontation; but they happen because I live where there are creatures that are dangerous to humans. (So do the rest of you, but that's another story.)

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You want a gun to protect yourself on your farm, go for it. But stop trying to force us to let you carry them in the city and wherever else you wander.

Nice reverse spin, but I won't bite.

I'm not saying you have to arm yourself, do what makes you feel comfortable; stop telling me that I can't.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

Let the current laws ACTUALLY BE ENFORCED to get a gun. If you want to add laws, concentrate on gun safety. How many times have we heard "from an unlocked cabinet" or "unsecure place" when kids/etc obtain guns? Not good. Then fully prosecute. The lack of gun SAFETY is a leading cause to gun crap.

Right now I know where my firearm is. Only I know the combination. If it's not behind those tumblers it's on me (legally). I have no problem holding everyone to that simple and tough standard.

 

[SJHovey]

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Right now I know where my firearm is. Only I know the combination. If it's not behind those tumblers it's on me (legally). I have no problem holding everyone to that simple and tough standard.

This is exactly what I've said. You want to own a gun, fine. You want to carry it with you wherever you go, or leave it unprotected from children, those with special needs or criminals, be my guest. But it's on you when something goes wrong with your gun. Not only civilly, but criminally as well.

If someone goes rogue in the US government and a real police state gets instituted, having a semi-automatic or handgun isn't going to accomplish anything, and the vast majority of 2nd Amendment supporters understand that, notwithstanding the handful of attention seeking nuts on Youtube.

On the other hand, the human desire to arm oneself for protection is as primal as it gets, as basic as the desire for sex, the need to migrate to areas providing better shelter and food. It literally goes back to the first cave man picking up a rock. A bunch of legislators, or other members of the tribe, can't just wave their hands and make that go away. But what we can do is impose consequences when something goes wrong. We can create a society where society itself generally provides enough protection that the vast majority of us think "meh, what do I need a gun for? I've got the rest of the tribe looking after me."

And to save thread space, and time for the Snark gallery, I'll post their response: Woohoo, I get to own a tank, or a bomb or a rocket launcher, blah, blah, blah, same old tripe.

Again, no one wants to do that, and it's going to take us 15 minutes to figure out the identity of the 10 people who do. The rest of the world has no interest. You want to, the price is going to be high, and the tax even higher, to say nothing of the insurance requirements. Besides, a little thinning of the herd is never a terrible idea, and nothing will thin the herd faster than some idiot trying to build a bomb.

 

[unofan]

Nice reverse spin, but I won't bite.

I'm not saying you have to arm yourself, do what makes you feel comfortable; stop telling me that I can't.

Nope. I'm perfectly fine with laws prohibiting guns in various places, including bars, stadiums, etc.

If you want to carry there, too farking bad. We all have to do (or not do) things against our personal desires; it's called being part of a society.

 

[unofan]

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/an-ex-cop-keeps-the-countrys-best-data-set-on-police-misconduct/

I doubt this will come as a shock to most, but I bet some of the usual suspects still try to spin it as though police don't get preferential treatment.