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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?

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Handyman said:
If he was going 85 in a 50 it would have gone viral and he probably wouldnt go public about it. It kinda makes your story look less important if you are breaking the law all the time...

You guys realize that you can agree cops do bad things from time to time (even act racist) and it wont change your narrative at all right? Going all in on snark because you support the cops only makes you look like you have your head in the sand. Even if you believe the majority of the stories nowadays are B.S. (I doubt they are but for arguments sake) there is still plenty then that are true and it is becoming an alarming pattern.

BTW it isnt like Chris Rock is the only black celebrity who has gone public about being pulled over for no reason for DWB...I am sure they are hiding something too though cause cops never lie and you can never trust a black man! (you arent the only ones who can use snark to be dismissive :D ;))

What is Chris Rock's agenda exactly?
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FreshFish said:
Oops....

The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again!
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Have them contact You Tube...I'm sure they can help them to figure it out...
 
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I don't think the cop necessarily gets off even without the video. He did, after all, shoot him in the back.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I don't think the cop necessarily gets off even without the video. He did, after all, shoot him in the back.
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Without a video they could have cooked up a story to justify it. They were already beginning to until the video surfaced.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I don't think the cop necessarily gets off even without the video. He did, after all, shoot him in the back.
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Watch the video. The cop planted his taser next to the body and said in his original statement that he felt at risk for his life after Scott wrestled the taser away from him. If not for the video, this is just another case where an unarmed black guy gets shot by police but totally deserved it. If there was any controversy at all, the usual suspects would have said it was totally justified because the black guy instigated it.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I don't think the cop necessarily gets off even without the video. He did, after all, shoot him in the back.
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There's a much higher likelihood he does, though. Maybe not 100%. But I'd have set the betting line on at least even money of him getting away with it.

The bigger story is whether the other two cops on the scene who reported they attempted CPR and otherwise supported the shooter's version get charged with anything like falsifying records. That's how you start to break the thin blue line.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I don't think the cop necessarily gets off even without the video. He did, after all, shoot him in the back.
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Without the video what would your response be? You (along with others) would probably buy into the story that the victim took the taser and the cop was in danger. The cop would have gotten the benefit of the doubt and would not be up on murder charges.
 
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unofan said:
There's a much higher likelihood he does, though. Maybe not 100%. But I'd have set the betting line on at least even money of him getting away with it.

The bigger story is whether the other two cops on the scene who reported they attempted CPR and otherwise supported the shooter's version get charged with anything like falsifying records. That's how you start to break the thin blue line.
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Anyone who reports corruption in the PD realm is silenced, sometimes for all eternity.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Anyone who reports corruption in the PD realm is silenced, sometimes for all eternity.
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"Anyone" is way too strong.

Police departments are just another other bureaucracy -- they have self-defense mechanisms and certainly a lot of negative information gets buried unless it is independently investigated. That's why these personal videos are so important.

Police departments are also made up of people, which means there's a wide range within them. Even in the worst departments in the country, say Ferguson today or LA in the 90s, there must be good people -- maybe even a lot of them -- who are appalled when something like this happens. Citizen investigation of departments helps empower those people, while secrecy shuts them down.

Stories like this are important because they allow the good cops to come forward and maybe even gain control. That does seem to be happening here -- you're not seeing the department fall into a testudo formation, you're seeing serious criticism and action. Now, we do need systemic, dramatic reform across the country -- mandatory, tamper-proof dashcams and personal police cams with an evidentiary chain outside the department. That's a perfectly reasonable institutional protection for an organization to which we give power of state-sanctioned life and death. But this is a start.

The problem with conspiracy theories like "all cops are corrupt" or "all departments will Silkwood any whistle blower" is they actually help the bad guys by discrediting legitimate criticism as tinfoil hat.
 
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Kepler said:
"Anyone" is way too strong.

Police departments are just another other bureaucracy -- they have self-defense mechanisms and certainly a lot of negative information gets buried unless it is independently investigated. That's why these personal videos are so important.

Police departments are also made up of people, which means there's a wide range within them. Even in the worst departments in the country, say Ferguson today or LA in the 90s, there must be good people -- maybe even a lot of them -- who are appalled when something like this happens. Citizen investigation of departments helps empower those people, while secrecy shuts them down.

Stories like this are important because they allow the good cops to come forward and maybe even gain control. That does seem to be happening here -- you're not seeing the department fall into a testudo formation, you're seeing serious criticism and action. Now, we do need systemic, dramatic reform across the country -- mandatory, tamper-proof dashcams and personal police cams with an evidentiary chain outside the department. That's a perfectly reasonable institutional protection for an organization to which we give power of state-sanctioned life and death. But this is a start.

The problem with conspiracy theories like "all cops are corrupt" or "all departments will Silkwood any whistle blower" is they actually help the bad guys by discrediting legitimate criticism as tinfoil hat.
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Show me examples where reporting corruption doesn't have the repercussions I described.

Third party auditing is all well and good until the PD gets "insiders" into the third party. It's just like how the two-party system is the most obvious weakness to checks and balances built into the Constitution. Get one party to have control, and the agenda gets pushed unchecked. Throw in a little blackmail threats, and you can get away with anything, just like what happened with the PPACA.
 
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FlagDUD said:
Anyone who reports corruption in the PD realm is silenced, sometimes for all eternity.
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I guess all those Internal Affairs Bureaus around the country are just for window dressing, eh? :(

Like no police officer has ever once been convicted of a crime, ever, in the entire history of the US.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Show me examples where reporting corruption doesn't have the repercussions I described.
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Scattered through this site are a number of cases where an officer has been suspended, fired, and/or faces criminal charges. That means somebody came forward to report it. There's no way of knowing how much misconduct goes unreported or is buried, but the fact that some officers are held accountable means your statement that this never happens is false.

I assume that of every 10 officers, 1's a creep, 1's a hero, and 8 are sleepwalking through their moral choices -- i.e., exactly as with us civilians. The police and the army have always been the therapontes used by the aristoi to control the demos. They are a tool to preserve the unequal property and other privileges maintained by the upper classes from the threat of violent redistribution personified by the very existence of the lower classes. To the extent that this proceeds from widely-held social norms, it's legitimate, or in any event as legitimate as any social contract. As inequality gets worse and social bonds break, they become little more than henchmen. But the people themselves haven't changed, they still have that magic 1:8:1 distribution. It's just now the job description has the middle 8 doing much more immoral stuff.
 
Kepler said:
Scattered through this site are a number of cases where an officer has been suspended, fired, and/or faces criminal charges. That means somebody came forward to report it. There's no way of knowing how much misconduct goes unreported or is buried, but the fact that some officers are held accountable means your statement that this never happens is false.

I assume that of every 10 officers, 1's a creep, 1's a hero, and 8 are sleepwalking through their moral choices -- i.e., exactly as with us civilians. The police and the army have always been the therapontes used by the aristoi to control the demos. They are a tool to preserve the unequal property and other privileges maintained by the upper classes from the threat of violent redistribution personified by the very existence of the lower classes. To the extent that this proceeds from widely-held social norms, it's legitimate, or in any event as legitimate as any social contract. As inequality gets worse and social bonds break, they become little more than henchmen. But the people themselves haven't changed, they still have that magic 1:8:1 distribution. It's just now the job description has the middle 8 doing much more immoral stuff.
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Kep, I rarely agree with you but today's an exception. Having said that, it's my experience that your 1:8:1 ratio is probably close to correct but in most cases the 8 aren't sleepwalking. They're doing their jobs with dedication and pride.

Some of those 8 step up to become heroes and some fall to creep status. Call it being human.
 
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SteveP said:
Kep, I rarely agree with you but today's an exception. Having said that, it's my experience that your 1:8:1 ratio is probably close to correct but in most cases the 8 aren't sleepwalking. They're doing their jobs with dedication and pride.

Some of those 8 step up to become heroes and some fall to creep status. Call it being human.
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You are right, sleepwalking is too strong. I consider myself one of the 8 -- I would say we spend most of our time putting out fires or dog tired and having a slight toothache feeling that we could be doing better, given a little space and time for reflection.
 
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Kepler said:
Scattered through this site are a number of cases where an officer has been suspended, fired, and/or faces criminal charges. That means somebody came forward to report it. There's no way of knowing how much misconduct goes unreported or is buried, but the fact that some officers are held accountable means your statement that this never happens is false.

I assume that of every 10 officers, 1's a creep, 1's a hero, and 8 are sleepwalking through their moral choices -- i.e., exactly as with us civilians. The police and the army have always been the therapontes used by the aristoi to control the demos. They are a tool to preserve the unequal property and other privileges maintained by the upper classes from the threat of violent redistribution personified by the very existence of the lower classes. To the extent that this proceeds from widely-held social norms, it's legitimate, or in any event as legitimate as any social contract. As inequality gets worse and social bonds break, they become little more than henchmen. But the people themselves haven't changed, they still have that magic 1:8:1 distribution. It's just now the job description has the middle 8 doing much more immoral stuff.
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Your site talks about the cop that did the deed, but it mentions nothing about the person who reported it, which is where I was going. The person who reported the issue faces repercussions.

And BTW, the "heroes" are being replaced with the "creeps". It's not limited to PDs, either; it's also happening in the military. http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-asking-military-officers-will-shoot-americans/ And if you have a bunch of brainless zombies (i.e. the "sleepwalkers") that will use the following orders crutch to justify their constitutional violations, then there is something seriously wrong with our society, and is exactly why martial law will happen in a couple years. Heck, they're already doing drills for it in the southwest this summer, with Texas and Utah as "hostile states".
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And if you have a bunch of brainless zombies (i.e. the "sleepwalkers") that will use the following orders crutch to justify their constitutional violations, then there is something seriously wrong with our society, and is exactly why martial law will happen in a couple years. Heck, they're already doing drills for it in the southwest this summer, with Texas and Utah as "hostile states".
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Martial law is like the Second Coming. Always just around the corner.
 
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