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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
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It's Madison.
unofan
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there's no comparative fault defense to criminal law. The victim's actions never excuse criminal conduct against them.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
A cop giving a lawful order, then that order not being obeyed and the cop subsequently taking protective action (as he sees fit) is NOT a criminal act.
unofan
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Nope. A cop can't kill someone just because someone argues with them. They have to have reasonable fear for their own safety or someone else's. that wasn't present in the case of Garner or the Cleveland kid.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
And where did I equate my statement with selling loosies?
You guys sure take broad stances while chastising those you accuse of taking broad stances.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
unofan
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I've been told repeatedly on here and other boards that the vast majority of gun owners are rational, law abiding citizens. So why should a cop fear for his life just because someone is carrying a gun?
Should I fear for my life just because cops carry guns?
To be less snarky, the cop never gave the kid a chance to obey any order. He came out guns blazing, so it's almost inherently unreasonable to act the way he did.
unofan
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Majority, yes.
Part of a cops job is to protect is from the minority
Majority, yes.
Part of a cops job is to protect is from the minority
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
unofan
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by that logic, we should all be scared of all cops because the minority are racist dickwads who abuse their power.
Isn't that what you guys are arguing against?
We can't act as though all cops are racist dickwads, but you're ok with cops treating all of us as potential copkillers? Is that really your argument?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
It's not when talking about conceal and carry laws. It's not when they spout out, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
Let's not devolve into relativism here.
It's not when talking about conceal and carry laws. It's not when they spout out, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
Let's not devolve into relativism here.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Did that kid have a concealed weapon permit?
unofan
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It wasn't concealed or a weapon, so it doesn't matter either way.
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Gurtholfin
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You need to adjust your sarcasm meter.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Even if that's all there is to it, perhaps if the asshat paid attention to, "drop your weapon" instead of rolling with, "I aint hearin dat" he wouldn't be dead.
Even if that's all there is to it, perhaps if the asshat paid attention to, "drop your weapon" instead of rolling with, "I aint hearin dat" he wouldn't be dead.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
i'm not carrying around a weapon nor grabbing for their's while i'm not out breaking the law. so i'm good.
i'm not carrying around a weapon nor grabbing for their's while i'm not out breaking the law. so i'm good.
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Priceless
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
He wasn't even looking at them and he was on the phone. How was he supposed to know they were talking to him? How was he supposed to know they were actually cops? For all he knew, they were kids horsing around. He wasn't paying attention to them. Further, they said "Drop your weapon," but even if he heard them say that, why would he associate what he had in his hand with "weapon"? What he had was "merchandise" that he intended to purchase. I fail to see how any of this is his fault.
Maybe the police should take a lesson from their Canadian counterparts - the ones who refused to shoot the dude who tried to suicide by cop even though he was waving a toy gun at them. He even asked them, "Why haven't you shot me yet?" The good news is that he eventually was shot - when he tried that crap on US Border Patrol. But they only wounded him. Had he encountered real police officers, he might get his wish and be dead by now.
He wasn't even looking at them and he was on the phone. How was he supposed to know they were talking to him? How was he supposed to know they were actually cops? For all he knew, they were kids horsing around. He wasn't paying attention to them. Further, they said "Drop your weapon," but even if he heard them say that, why would he associate what he had in his hand with "weapon"? What he had was "merchandise" that he intended to purchase. I fail to see how any of this is his fault.
Maybe the police should take a lesson from their Canadian counterparts - the ones who refused to shoot the dude who tried to suicide by cop even though he was waving a toy gun at them. He even asked them, "Why haven't you shot me yet?" The good news is that he eventually was shot - when he tried that crap on US Border Patrol. But they only wounded him. Had he encountered real police officers, he might get his wish and be dead by now.
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