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Austin Smith Colgate
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Re: Austin Smith Colgate
No, cuz I didn't say any of that. What I will say is that the ECAC is in fact terrible. Fact, not opinion. You think he'd have as many goals as he does if Colgate was in Hockey East?
And I get to see Brian Dumoulin play every day...what's your point? That people who see guys more often than other top players will have a bias towards the guys they see? That's obvious. Playing in the town you grew up in has zero impact on the Hobey. However, career achievements do have an impact. Just look at the year Chris Drury won it. He wasn't the best player that year. He won it for his career body of work over four years. The question is, should the award be a career achievement award? I don't think it should be.
No, cuz I didn't say any of that. What I will say is that the ECAC is in fact terrible. Fact, not opinion. You think he'd have as many goals as he does if Colgate was in Hockey East?
And I get to see Brian Dumoulin play every day...what's your point? That people who see guys more often than other top players will have a bias towards the guys they see? That's obvious. Playing in the town you grew up in has zero impact on the Hobey. However, career achievements do have an impact. Just look at the year Chris Drury won it. He wasn't the best player that year. He won it for his career body of work over four years. The question is, should the award be a career achievement award? I don't think it should be.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
No, but if he was on BC, BU or Maine instead of Colgate, I bet he'd still be leading College Hockey in goals...
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
He has 32, he only needs 22 to still be leading college hockey...
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
Opinion, not fact.
And you're saying he compares less favorably with the best players from other conferences because he plays in the ECAC. But those other players don't play on these "terrible" ECAC teams. If he were in Hockey East (according to you) he'd be playing with much better teammates. You can't have it both ways.
Opinion, not fact.
And you're saying he compares less favorably with the best players from other conferences because he plays in the ECAC. But those other players don't play on these "terrible" ECAC teams. If he were in Hockey East (according to you) he'd be playing with much better teammates. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
You're clearly an ECAC homer. With only one team in the tournament as of today and no FF reps since Cornell about 10 years ago...the ECAC is terrible. You don't have an argument to counter that.
Now, as for Smith. If COLGATE was in Hockey East, you think he'd have the same amount of goals?
You're clearly an ECAC homer. With only one team in the tournament as of today and no FF reps since Cornell about 10 years ago...the ECAC is terrible. You don't have an argument to counter that.
Now, as for Smith. If COLGATE was in Hockey East, you think he'd have the same amount of goals?
hockeyenthusiast
Registered User
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
Atlantic Hockey has had two FF reps, right? Is it better than the ECAC? The top couple of teams in the other major conferences are better than the ECAC's best just about every year lately, and it shows in the tournament. That is not the same thing as the conference being "terrible."
Do I think he'd have the same amount of goals? I don't know how many he'd have, and it doesn't matter. The leagues all have slightly different styles of play over the course of the year. If Colgate were in Hockey East, he might have 15. Or maybe he'd have 40. Who knows? Not me, and not you. If UMD were in the ECAC, Connelly might have 30. Or he might have 10. Smith has had two games against Hockey East and he hasn't scored. He's played 5 games against the CCHA, including 2 against Ferris, and he has 4 goals. That doesn't tell anybody anything about what he would do if Colgate were in HEA or the CCHA. But no matter how you analyze it, he's the best goal scorer in the country. You have no idea what he'd do if his team were plucked from the ECAC and dropped into Hockey East. But all of us know exactly what he's doing against all levels of competition in the real world. And that is nearly double the goal scoring output of any other player in the country.
Atlantic Hockey has had two FF reps, right? Is it better than the ECAC? The top couple of teams in the other major conferences are better than the ECAC's best just about every year lately, and it shows in the tournament. That is not the same thing as the conference being "terrible."
Do I think he'd have the same amount of goals? I don't know how many he'd have, and it doesn't matter. The leagues all have slightly different styles of play over the course of the year. If Colgate were in Hockey East, he might have 15. Or maybe he'd have 40. Who knows? Not me, and not you. If UMD were in the ECAC, Connelly might have 30. Or he might have 10. Smith has had two games against Hockey East and he hasn't scored. He's played 5 games against the CCHA, including 2 against Ferris, and he has 4 goals. That doesn't tell anybody anything about what he would do if Colgate were in HEA or the CCHA. But no matter how you analyze it, he's the best goal scorer in the country. You have no idea what he'd do if his team were plucked from the ECAC and dropped into Hockey East. But all of us know exactly what he's doing against all levels of competition in the real world. And that is nearly double the goal scoring output of any other player in the country.
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
I believe RIT is the only Atlantic Hockey team to reach the FF. The ECAC wants to be considered with the WCHA, CCHA and Hockey East, no? It is by far #4 with no significant tournament results to point to over the past 10 years. I realize you're an ECAC guy, so it's hard for you to accept the fact that your conference is terrible, but it is what it is. But if you want to parse it so "the ECAC just isn't as good as the other three major conferences"...fine. That you can surely agree with.
So now you're bringing up the possibility that if Colgate played in Hockey East, Austin Smith could have 40 goals...exactly double what the leading goal scorer in Hockey East has? And that if UMD was in the ECAC, Connelly could have only 10? Ya, ok...
You are correct though, he does lead the nation in goals.
I believe RIT is the only Atlantic Hockey team to reach the FF. The ECAC wants to be considered with the WCHA, CCHA and Hockey East, no? It is by far #4 with no significant tournament results to point to over the past 10 years. I realize you're an ECAC guy, so it's hard for you to accept the fact that your conference is terrible, but it is what it is. But if you want to parse it so "the ECAC just isn't as good as the other three major conferences"...fine. That you can surely agree with.
So now you're bringing up the possibility that if Colgate played in Hockey East, Austin Smith could have 40 goals...exactly double what the leading goal scorer in Hockey East has? And that if UMD was in the ECAC, Connelly could have only 10? Ya, ok...
You are correct though, he does lead the nation in goals.
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
The ECAC is terrible? Tell that to UNH, UMass, Vermont, Merrimack, Providence and Northeastern; all teams that could not beat ECAC opponents this year. In-fact a 10-7-4 record for HE against ECAC competition, I guess from your perspective makes HE an "average" league? Is HE a better league - yes. However, the difference is not as great as you make it - you could make the case that the only difference year-in and year-out is BC/BU and sometimes UNH & Maine. Austin Smith lead Colgate to a 1-0-1 record against HE so far this year with at least a point a game. In 10 contests against non-ECAC competition, he is averaging 1.5 points a game. Regardless of who he plays against, he is extremely productive....I believe he controls his destiny. If he maintains his current performance and can lead Colgate far into the playoffs - he's the favorite!
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
Yes, the ECAC is terrible. That's already been established. It's been known for years. Any fan with half a brain would look at more than just one season's REGULAR SEASON results to determine if a conference was good or not. I mean, I could even understand you boasting if the ECAC had a winning record against Hockey East this year...but citing the fact your beloved league has a winning percentage under .500? LOL. Why don't you try looking at the bigger picture, like the national tournament, number of teams in the dance on a yearly basis and the results. When you do that, you'll realize that the ECAC is in fact terrible.
As for Smith, using two games is the epitome of a small sample size.
Yes, the ECAC is terrible. That's already been established. It's been known for years. Any fan with half a brain would look at more than just one season's REGULAR SEASON results to determine if a conference was good or not. I mean, I could even understand you boasting if the ECAC had a winning record against Hockey East this year...but citing the fact your beloved league has a winning percentage under .500? LOL. Why don't you try looking at the bigger picture, like the national tournament, number of teams in the dance on a yearly basis and the results. When you do that, you'll realize that the ECAC is in fact terrible.
As for Smith, using two games is the epitome of a small sample size.
Fighting Sioux 23
New member
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
Austin Smith getting some love from College Hockey Weekly, in their "Hopeful Hobey" discussion...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Hobey-Hopeful.html
Austin Smith getting some love from College Hockey Weekly, in their "Hopeful Hobey" discussion...
http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Hobey-Hopeful.html
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
You do realize spamming the board with requests to visit your website is a violation of the terms and conditions of this board, correct? Please stop.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Austin Smith Colgate
I thought this thread was discussing the merits of Austin Smith's Hobey Baker candidacy? Consideration of head-to-head conference play including Colgate's team and Smith's individual performance does matter....regardless of history.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
I didn't write the rules, but I can see why they have that one. The constant spamming of his website is getting annoying.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Austin Smith Colgate
1. My post was in relation to this thread, and not spam.
2. There was no request to visit the website.
3. I've told you this before, but apparently you can't seem to comprehend it... CollegeHockeyWeekly.com is not my website.
4. Consequently, there was no violation of the terms and conditions of this board.
I was merely posting a link where another website had Austin Smith as their leading candidate for Hobey. If you agree or don't agree with that premise, this is a great thread to discuss that. If you don't like the website...don't go to it.
1. My post was in relation to this thread, and not spam.
2. There was no request to visit the website.
3. I've told you this before, but apparently you can't seem to comprehend it... CollegeHockeyWeekly.com is not my website.
4. Consequently, there was no violation of the terms and conditions of this board.
I was merely posting a link where another website had Austin Smith as their leading candidate for Hobey. If you agree or don't agree with that premise, this is a great thread to discuss that. If you don't like the website...don't go to it.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
1. My post was in relation to this thread, and not spam.
2. There was no request to visit the website.
3. I've told you this before, but apparently you can't seem to comprehend it... CollegeHockeyWeekly.com is not my website.
4. Consequently, there was no violation of the terms and conditions of this board.
I was merely posting a link where another website had Austin Smith as their leading candidate for Hobey. If you agree or don't agree with that premise, this is a great thread to discuss that. If you don't like the website...don't go to it.
You write for the website, and when you post links to the site over and over in multiple threads to advertise the site, it's called spamming.