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Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
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Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
That will make it harder for the WIAC to find dance partners for NC games. Although Aurora would add 5 opportunities under that scenario, the other teams in league will lose a total of 20 opportunities. Net result: 15 fewer NC games available for teams to schedule against the the M(N)CHA.
A little NCAA arithmetic. There will then be 74 Division III schools (Counting Canton and Aurora).
74/6.5 = 11.38 This means there would still be 11 teams in the NCAA tournament.
(If one more school is added 75/6.5 = 11.54 which could be rounded to 12 - the NCAA is inconsistent as to whether they round or truncate in such circumstances. The move from 10 teams to 11 in the men's tournament didn't happen until the truncated value reached 11, but the women's tournament went from 7 to 8 because they rounded to get to 8)
With 74 teams we would have
Pool A: (62 Teams)
N(M)CHA - 11 Teams
NESCAC - 10 Teams
SUNYAC - 9 Teams
MIAC - 9 Teams
ECAC East - 8 Teams
ECAC Northeast - 8 Teams
MASCAC - 7 Teams
Pool B: (12 Teams)
ECAC West - 6 Teams
WIAC - 5 Teams
Independent - 1 Team
Access Ratio: 62:7 = 8.86:1
11 Bids
7 Pool A
1 Pool B
3 Pool C
If one other school were to add a program the tournament field might go to 12 (or not, depending on the NCAA's current rounding procedure).
That will make it harder for the WIAC to find dance partners for NC games. Although Aurora would add 5 opportunities under that scenario, the other teams in league will lose a total of 20 opportunities. Net result: 15 fewer NC games available for teams to schedule against the the M(N)CHA.
A little NCAA arithmetic. There will then be 74 Division III schools (Counting Canton and Aurora).
74/6.5 = 11.38 This means there would still be 11 teams in the NCAA tournament.
(If one more school is added 75/6.5 = 11.54 which could be rounded to 12 - the NCAA is inconsistent as to whether they round or truncate in such circumstances. The move from 10 teams to 11 in the men's tournament didn't happen until the truncated value reached 11, but the women's tournament went from 7 to 8 because they rounded to get to 8)
With 74 teams we would have
Pool A: (62 Teams)
N(M)CHA - 11 Teams
NESCAC - 10 Teams
SUNYAC - 9 Teams
MIAC - 9 Teams
ECAC East - 8 Teams
ECAC Northeast - 8 Teams
MASCAC - 7 Teams
Pool B: (12 Teams)
ECAC West - 6 Teams
WIAC - 5 Teams
Independent - 1 Team
Access Ratio: 62:7 = 8.86:1
11 Bids
7 Pool A
1 Pool B
3 Pool C
If one other school were to add a program the tournament field might go to 12 (or not, depending on the NCAA's current rounding procedure).
PrezdeJohnson09
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I'm thinking the ECAC West might be adding their 7th and possible 8th teams in the not too distant future.
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Who? Would Stevenson be one of them?
Who? Would Stevenson be one of them?
sbkbghockey
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Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Wow, Nice to see a school adding NCAA hockey but they have a ton of work to do! 0-12 last season playing DIII club (ACHA) hockey, and not even against the top teams at that level. They don't have an NCAA-caliber player on a small roster. Does their coach have hockey experience, his bio mentions nothing except experience as an assist baseball coach and a college baseball player. Top ACHA DI teams could more effectively move from ACHA to NCAA DIII hockey but AU is starting in the deep dark basement. and needs would already need a complete overhaul to compete with club teams, let alone NCAA DIII. Hopefully the school, athletic department, and coaching staff are ready for hard work.
Wow, Nice to see a school adding NCAA hockey but they have a ton of work to do! 0-12 last season playing DIII club (ACHA) hockey, and not even against the top teams at that level. They don't have an NCAA-caliber player on a small roster. Does their coach have hockey experience, his bio mentions nothing except experience as an assist baseball coach and a college baseball player. Top ACHA DI teams could more effectively move from ACHA to NCAA DIII hockey but AU is starting in the deep dark basement. and needs would already need a complete overhaul to compete with club teams, let alone NCAA DIII. Hopefully the school, athletic department, and coaching staff are ready for hard work.
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
The "MCHA" causing scheduling difficulties for the "NCHA" ? My have times changed....
The "MCHA" causing scheduling difficulties for the "NCHA" ? My have times changed....
Spartanspear
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Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Glad to see -- you would hope the school would put in the work. Now days $ have to be spent wisely
Glad to see -- you would hope the school would put in the work. Now days $ have to be spent wisely
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
They found a place for their women's team to play/practice. That was why that one came to mind.
They found a place for their women's team to play/practice. That was why that one came to mind.
There are not enough rinks in the Baltimore area to keep up with the demand. The Reisterstown rink needs bigger locker rooms and stands.
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
The next obvious question is, "Who will be the 12th team in the NCHA"?
I'll nominate Lindenwood University in St. Charles, Missouri. That is in the St. Louis metro area. This school has had an excellent track record in hockey at the ACHA Div. I level, and they would compete at the NCAA DIII level much sooner than any other option available in the Midwest. They also would add another highly populated hot hockey area to the NCHA footprint.
The NCHA with 12 teams could have 2 balanced divisions of 6 teams. They could play each team in their division 2x (10 games), and once against teams in the other division (6 games) for a total of 16 conference games. That would give them 9 available NC games against MIAC, WIAC, or Eastern teams.
NORTH- CSS, SNC, Marian, LU, Finlandia*, & Northland*. SOUTH- Adrian*, MSOE, CUW, LFC, Aurora, and Lindenwood*. ( *indicates outliers)
For scheduling purposes for 2 game sets within a division, games with the outliers would alternate yearly as they do now, games amongst the other 4 teams would be home and home.
For crossover games between division foes you would have travel partners such as #A(CSS & SNC), #B(Marian & LU), #C(MSOE & CUW), and #D(LFC & Aurora). EX: #A @#C, #B @ #D,then #D @ #A, and #C @ #B. The next season you reverse it.
The crossover schedule with outliers could be run with outliers visiting travel partners on the same weekend and the next 2 seasons having each of the 2 outliers host . EX; 2014 Finlandia and Northland come down to play Aurora and LFC. In 2015 LFC , Aurora, and Northland go to Finlandia, and in 2016 LFC, Aurora, and Finlandia go to Northland. This would create a team playing 2 to 4 neutral site games per season, but would cut down on some travel. They could also have NCHA showcases like CSS, SNC, LU, and Marian have done over the past few Thanksgivings. The option is there.
The next obvious question is, "Who will be the 12th team in the NCHA"?
I'll nominate Lindenwood University in St. Charles, Missouri. That is in the St. Louis metro area. This school has had an excellent track record in hockey at the ACHA Div. I level, and they would compete at the NCAA DIII level much sooner than any other option available in the Midwest. They also would add another highly populated hot hockey area to the NCHA footprint.
The NCHA with 12 teams could have 2 balanced divisions of 6 teams. They could play each team in their division 2x (10 games), and once against teams in the other division (6 games) for a total of 16 conference games. That would give them 9 available NC games against MIAC, WIAC, or Eastern teams.
NORTH- CSS, SNC, Marian, LU, Finlandia*, & Northland*. SOUTH- Adrian*, MSOE, CUW, LFC, Aurora, and Lindenwood*. ( *indicates outliers)
For scheduling purposes for 2 game sets within a division, games with the outliers would alternate yearly as they do now, games amongst the other 4 teams would be home and home.
For crossover games between division foes you would have travel partners such as #A(CSS & SNC), #B(Marian & LU), #C(MSOE & CUW), and #D(LFC & Aurora). EX: #A @#C, #B @ #D,then #D @ #A, and #C @ #B. The next season you reverse it.
The crossover schedule with outliers could be run with outliers visiting travel partners on the same weekend and the next 2 seasons having each of the 2 outliers host . EX; 2014 Finlandia and Northland come down to play Aurora and LFC. In 2015 LFC , Aurora, and Northland go to Finlandia, and in 2016 LFC, Aurora, and Finlandia go to Northland. This would create a team playing 2 to 4 neutral site games per season, but would cut down on some travel. They could also have NCHA showcases like CSS, SNC, LU, and Marian have done over the past few Thanksgivings. The option is there.
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
I cannot tell a lie. My brother just called, LHAO, and informed me that Lindenwood is a DII Institution.
To quote Emily Latella, " Never mind"!! I respectfully withdraw the nomination.
I cannot tell a lie. My brother just called, LHAO, and informed me that Lindenwood is a DII Institution.
To quote Emily Latella, " Never mind"!! I respectfully withdraw the nomination.
Hockeyfan2113
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Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Cool news about Aurora. Always nice to see another team to try and join D3 ranks.
I am sure this has already been postulated by some and asked by college ads/coaches but has there been any inquiries into either Ithaca College or Franklin & Marshall from moving their club to D3 and joining ECAC-W? As far as I know they are both D3 schools and Ithaca for obvious reasons with the western ny contingent, its a natural fit. While F&M would make a natural fit with Neumann (about an hour and a half west from NU) in Lancaster, it would essentially replace where Lebanon Valley was in terms of location. If anyone knows, just a thought by me since expansion and anything possibility with the ECAC-W adding new teams instead of trying to poach other teams is intriguing to me.
Cool news about Aurora. Always nice to see another team to try and join D3 ranks.
I am sure this has already been postulated by some and asked by college ads/coaches but has there been any inquiries into either Ithaca College or Franklin & Marshall from moving their club to D3 and joining ECAC-W? As far as I know they are both D3 schools and Ithaca for obvious reasons with the western ny contingent, its a natural fit. While F&M would make a natural fit with Neumann (about an hour and a half west from NU) in Lancaster, it would essentially replace where Lebanon Valley was in terms of location. If anyone knows, just a thought by me since expansion and anything possibility with the ECAC-W adding new teams instead of trying to poach other teams is intriguing to me.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
I've always heard that Itaca has never had any desire to field a varsity hockey program.
I've always heard that Itaca has never had any desire to field a varsity hockey program.
Captain Obvious
...the Man, the Myth, the Legend...
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
F&M plays in the Centennial Conference in all sports. I find it unlikely they would take on a sport outside the conference, as I am sure they do not have enrollment problems that warrant seeking another market of students outside what they currently enroll.
By the the way, I wouldn't count on Stevenson starting men's hockey at the varsity level.
F&M plays in the Centennial Conference in all sports. I find it unlikely they would take on a sport outside the conference, as I am sure they do not have enrollment problems that warrant seeking another market of students outside what they currently enroll.
By the the way, I wouldn't count on Stevenson starting men's hockey at the varsity level.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Several teams have joined the DIII ranks having ZERO club experience even and have gone on to do well. The only thing a 0-12 record in DIII club shows you that would relate to NCAA DIII is the commitment the admin has given the program. Having said that, some admins could care less about "club" sports but go all in for actual DIII sports. This is also another reason why they probably have no "NCAA-caliber" players, yet. If you put that NCAA tag on them, give them some Financial Aid packages, you would be surprised how quickly a program can be turned into at least semi competitive.
Look on the bright side, with Aurora entering DIII it gives the ECAC West another team to schedule....
How far is it from Aurora to Utica?
Several teams have joined the DIII ranks having ZERO club experience even and have gone on to do well. The only thing a 0-12 record in DIII club shows you that would relate to NCAA DIII is the commitment the admin has given the program. Having said that, some admins could care less about "club" sports but go all in for actual DIII sports. This is also another reason why they probably have no "NCAA-caliber" players, yet. If you put that NCAA tag on them, give them some Financial Aid packages, you would be surprised how quickly a program can be turned into at least semi competitive.
Look on the bright side, with Aurora entering DIII it gives the ECAC West another team to schedule....
How far is it from Aurora to Utica?Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
Exactly. Many club programs aren't even supported by the athletic department. They are supported the same way the radio or debate or glee clubs are supported.
Exactly. Many club programs aren't even supported by the athletic department. They are supported the same way the radio or debate or glee clubs are supported.
Re: Aurora University wants to add D3 hockey
That's why they are called "club" programs, although there are other places at which the programs are really varsity programs and have coaches that are paid by the school and fully part of the athletic department.
At Norwich, for example, rugby (both men's and women's) are varsity sports that play as part of club organization that is like the ACHA. The women's hockey program started as a true club program, became a defacto varsity program for a couple of years before moving into the NCAA. It's a real mixed bag.
Castleton's men's program had a club predecessor, but the reality was the NCAA program had almost no ties to the ACHA program that preceded it. The NCAA team had tryouts, and 2 players from the club made the NCAA program, and the new team that went a 2+ years before they ever won an NCAA game.
That's why they are called "club" programs, although there are other places at which the programs are really varsity programs and have coaches that are paid by the school and fully part of the athletic department.
At Norwich, for example, rugby (both men's and women's) are varsity sports that play as part of club organization that is like the ACHA. The women's hockey program started as a true club program, became a defacto varsity program for a couple of years before moving into the NCAA. It's a real mixed bag.
Castleton's men's program had a club predecessor, but the reality was the NCAA program had almost no ties to the ACHA program that preceded it. The NCAA team had tryouts, and 2 players from the club made the NCAA program, and the new team that went a 2+ years before they ever won an NCAA game.