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Arizona State Moving To D1
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Ralph Baer
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AMC
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Looks like it autofills logos and only the full D-I teams/logos were in the database. Hence Liberty and Ohio being available, but no LSSU/Clarkson/etc.
Looks like it autofills logos and only the full D-I teams/logos were in the database. Hence Liberty and Ohio being available, but no LSSU/Clarkson/etc.
SunDevilBob
Member
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Roster for the upcoming season announced. 13 returning players, 15 new recruits. Here it is.
One surprise is Brock Krygier, A graduate transfer from Michigan State. He can play this upcoming season and has 2 years of eligibility. David Jacobson is not currently on the roster as he hasn't been cleared due to commiting so late. Transfers Jake Montgomery and David Norris are on the roster but not eligible to play in the upcoming season.
Roster for the upcoming season announced. 13 returning players, 15 new recruits. Here it is.
One surprise is Brock Krygier, A graduate transfer from Michigan State. He can play this upcoming season and has 2 years of eligibility. David Jacobson is not currently on the roster as he hasn't been cleared due to commiting so late. Transfers Jake Montgomery and David Norris are on the roster but not eligible to play in the upcoming season.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I just took a look at your schedule:
http://www.thesundevils.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=30300&SPID=166608&SPSID=971111
...........and I find myself wondering how ASU stirs up much excitement for all this when the only "name" team on your entire home schedule is Yale, of all things. In fact, they are ONLY D-1 team on your home schedule.
This would seem to confirm things I have said earlier in this thread, more than once, about venue issues for this program right out of the box and how poorly thought out and underfunded this whole thing really is.
The location denoted for each home game is Tempe. So, I am to assume that Oceanside Arena is, in fact, where all these games are going to be played? I've seen a lot of lip service given from many quarters about using other facilities, and, here is an example:
http://www.houseofsparky.com/2015/1...ver-arena-arizona-coyotes-oceanside-ice-arena
............but, for this home schedule, they won't need to. And, "Glendale" is not "Tempe", as the schedule currently says all home games will be played in. Their season opens in less than 5 months and they still don't have anything definitive to say about where each and every home game is going to be played?
And, wow, this home schedule will definitely give ASU fan a first hand view of what Division One college hockey is all about. Thanks to Yale for sucking it up for all of D-1 college hockey and going down there to show them.
ASU fan gets to see their team, in its first year as D-1 program, play 11 home games against teams that they should not and probably will not ever play again, plus two games with Yale (they get a flyer for playing 2 with the U-18 team). Wow, this is really going to whip up some enthusiasm.
And, I wonder what right minded team official(s) postulated, "For the first road trip in the history of our program, a trip to Anchorage to play both Alaska teams sure sounds like a great idea" because no already existing lower 48 team even likes going there.
Anybody care to speculate on what kind of record ASU might post against this schedule? In theory, they ought to win all their non-D-1 games, home or not, except they probably won't. Their most "winnable" road games would mostly seem to be early in the season, when they will probably be least equipped to play them. If they get even near Penn State's 13-14 record vs. D-1 competition their first ('12-'13) season (and, 19-16 overall) given all their real games are away, unlike in Penn State's case, getting anywhere near what PSU did in '12-'13 will be a miracle. My bet is that they win, at most, 5 or 6 games against D-1 competition next season.
I just took a look at your schedule:
http://www.thesundevils.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=30300&SPID=166608&SPSID=971111
...........and I find myself wondering how ASU stirs up much excitement for all this when the only "name" team on your entire home schedule is Yale, of all things. In fact, they are ONLY D-1 team on your home schedule.
This would seem to confirm things I have said earlier in this thread, more than once, about venue issues for this program right out of the box and how poorly thought out and underfunded this whole thing really is.
The location denoted for each home game is Tempe. So, I am to assume that Oceanside Arena is, in fact, where all these games are going to be played? I've seen a lot of lip service given from many quarters about using other facilities, and, here is an example:
http://www.houseofsparky.com/2015/1...ver-arena-arizona-coyotes-oceanside-ice-arena
............but, for this home schedule, they won't need to. And, "Glendale" is not "Tempe", as the schedule currently says all home games will be played in. Their season opens in less than 5 months and they still don't have anything definitive to say about where each and every home game is going to be played?
And, wow, this home schedule will definitely give ASU fan a first hand view of what Division One college hockey is all about. Thanks to Yale for sucking it up for all of D-1 college hockey and going down there to show them.
ASU fan gets to see their team, in its first year as D-1 program, play 11 home games against teams that they should not and probably will not ever play again, plus two games with Yale (they get a flyer for playing 2 with the U-18 team). Wow, this is really going to whip up some enthusiasm.
And, I wonder what right minded team official(s) postulated, "For the first road trip in the history of our program, a trip to Anchorage to play both Alaska teams sure sounds like a great idea" because no already existing lower 48 team even likes going there.
Anybody care to speculate on what kind of record ASU might post against this schedule? In theory, they ought to win all their non-D-1 games, home or not, except they probably won't. Their most "winnable" road games would mostly seem to be early in the season, when they will probably be least equipped to play them. If they get even near Penn State's 13-14 record vs. D-1 competition their first ('12-'13) season (and, 19-16 overall) given all their real games are away, unlike in Penn State's case, getting anywhere near what PSU did in '12-'13 will be a miracle. My bet is that they win, at most, 5 or 6 games against D-1 competition next season.
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Squarebanks
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And if Arizona State becomes a member of the NCHC you'll be tripping over your own dick in excitement because the NCHC finally has a school people outside the college hockey world care about and can bring you the national recognition your conference so clearly deserves.
And yes, I'd say the same thing if by some miracle they joined the WCHA...which they won't.
And yes, I'd say the same thing if by some miracle they joined the WCHA...which they won't.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I'm planning to go to one of the Clarkson games, since it'll be on the holiday weekend, and (for the first time in several years) they will be hosting games. Since I haven't seen Clarkson win a game in 7 or 8 YEARS - I've forgotten it's been so long - I expect 1 ASU win to be that weekend.
I also think 5 wins is optimistic; I see possible wins at Clarkson, LSSU, SHU, and (maybe, but less likely) RPI or Bemidji. I agree that the games they have a better chance to win, based on the opponent, are the early ones; their opponents in January and February are much tougher. If I had to guess a number, I'd guess 3.
I'm planning to go to one of the Clarkson games, since it'll be on the holiday weekend, and (for the first time in several years) they will be hosting games. Since I haven't seen Clarkson win a game in 7 or 8 YEARS - I've forgotten it's been so long - I expect 1 ASU win to be that weekend.
I also think 5 wins is optimistic; I see possible wins at Clarkson, LSSU, SHU, and (maybe, but less likely) RPI or Bemidji. I agree that the games they have a better chance to win, based on the opponent, are the early ones; their opponents in January and February are much tougher. If I had to guess a number, I'd guess 3.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
They might confound us, though. You never know.
FWIW, Penn State also played more D-1 games at home (7) and they only took two road trips of any distance. To Michigan State and to Wisconsin. ASU is going to be wracking up some serious frequent flyer miles all season.
They might confound us, though. You never know.
FWIW, Penn State also played more D-1 games at home (7) and they only took two road trips of any distance. To Michigan State and to Wisconsin. ASU is going to be wracking up some serious frequent flyer miles all season.
gfmorris
New member
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
It really comes down to these things:
0. ASU doesn't have conference affiliation, and the half-season of scheduling keeps them from having a stable PWR. A loss to ASU would be killer, and you're far more likely to lose a game when you hop on a plane to Sky Harbor.
1. There aren't enough non-conference slots out there for there be lots of teams lined up to play you, especially after the calendar turns to 2016. If you look at UAH and PSU's 2012-13 slates, you'll see that. Both schools played in a holiday tournament; after that, the teams played each other, they each went on the road to the Upper Midwest to end the season, and the Lions snuck in a single game against UVM and made a relatively short trip to East Lansing for two.
2. Pivoting off of #2 is something that I've seen with UAH: teams don't want to hop a plane to come here without an off week before or after the trip here. I'm fairly sure that the same holds true for Alaska. That complicates things with scheduling, especially in the second half of the season.
3. Money is definitely a concern, and if you're Arizona State, do you want to spend $200k getting 4-5 big programs to come this year —*when you will assuredly get killed on home ice — or do you want to save that for next year, when you'll be better and these transfers that had to a sit a year will be back? I know which one I'd rather do. Also, next year you probably won't have to pay for all these home NC dates, because you'll probably only be able to host 2-4 of them (although NCHC scheduling my allow for more).
4. Related to #3, you don't want your young program to be repeatedly kicked in the head at home. I would have loved for UAH to have played the slate of games we had lined up for that season — it was gonna be fun! But after losing our #1 goalie and a guy that scored a little for us (when we, uh, didn't score), we were a shambles. We added club and D-III teams in the middle of the season purely to convince home fans that we were 1) gonna be okay and 2) still playing hockey, which was all well and good until we lost to Adrian. (That's the nadir of the program.)
Anyhow.
GFM
It really comes down to these things:
0. ASU doesn't have conference affiliation, and the half-season of scheduling keeps them from having a stable PWR. A loss to ASU would be killer, and you're far more likely to lose a game when you hop on a plane to Sky Harbor.
1. There aren't enough non-conference slots out there for there be lots of teams lined up to play you, especially after the calendar turns to 2016. If you look at UAH and PSU's 2012-13 slates, you'll see that. Both schools played in a holiday tournament; after that, the teams played each other, they each went on the road to the Upper Midwest to end the season, and the Lions snuck in a single game against UVM and made a relatively short trip to East Lansing for two.
2. Pivoting off of #2 is something that I've seen with UAH: teams don't want to hop a plane to come here without an off week before or after the trip here. I'm fairly sure that the same holds true for Alaska. That complicates things with scheduling, especially in the second half of the season.
3. Money is definitely a concern, and if you're Arizona State, do you want to spend $200k getting 4-5 big programs to come this year —*when you will assuredly get killed on home ice — or do you want to save that for next year, when you'll be better and these transfers that had to a sit a year will be back? I know which one I'd rather do. Also, next year you probably won't have to pay for all these home NC dates, because you'll probably only be able to host 2-4 of them (although NCHC scheduling my allow for more).
4. Related to #3, you don't want your young program to be repeatedly kicked in the head at home. I would have loved for UAH to have played the slate of games we had lined up for that season — it was gonna be fun! But after losing our #1 goalie and a guy that scored a little for us (when we, uh, didn't score), we were a shambles. We added club and D-III teams in the middle of the season purely to convince home fans that we were 1) gonna be okay and 2) still playing hockey, which was all well and good until we lost to Adrian. (That's the nadir of the program.)
Anyhow.
GFM
Me too. Them and the 2 Alaska schools would be a travel budget nightmare though
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I don't think ASU wins a single D1 game all year. In fact if they keep the score respectable i'd be surprised. I think they will beat most of the club teams they play but even D 3 teams are no slouch and will give you a challenge. Heck even Wisconsin will give you a challenge. Two years from now maybe a few wins.
I hope they join the NCHC or the Big Ten.
I wonder what the home fans reaction is going to be when they get beat by Yale like 6-1 two nights in a row, and is that Yale game going to be in that tiny rink?
I don't think ASU wins a single D1 game all year. In fact if they keep the score respectable i'd be surprised. I think they will beat most of the club teams they play but even D 3 teams are no slouch and will give you a challenge. Heck even Wisconsin will give you a challenge. Two years from now maybe a few wins.
I hope they join the NCHC or the Big Ten.
I wonder what the home fans reaction is going to be when they get beat by Yale like 6-1 two nights in a row, and is that Yale game going to be in that tiny rink?
eye4talent
Blistering Drive
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I've already had MY say on the possibilities of the Big 10 adding ANY outside the conference affiliate teams, much less ASU, much earlier in this thread. Here it is, again:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...Moving-To-D1&p=6046932&viewfull=1#post6046932
I've already had MY say on the possibilities of the Big 10 adding ANY outside the conference affiliate teams, much less ASU, much earlier in this thread. Here it is, again:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...Moving-To-D1&p=6046932&viewfull=1#post6046932
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Well considering us and Fairbanks pay a bulk of those travel costs...
gfmorris
New member
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
... and UAH pays a fair piece, too. I doubt that anyone will take ASU in without the same. [horse status="dead" action="flogging madly"]
GFM
... and UAH pays a fair piece, too. I doubt that anyone will take ASU in without the same. [horse status="dead" action="flogging madly"]
GFM
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Except you're wrong in that the B1G accepted Johns Hopkins for lacrosse affiliation.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Lacrosse is not a "major" sport and Johns Hopkins is a totally unique situation in lacrosse in that they are THE power in the sport much like Everest is THE mountain.
The Big 10 needed a 6th team to even have a conference league in lacrosse, a sport in which I have seen zero speculation about any other Big 10 school adding.
We're having a hard enough time finding 2 schools to add hockey in the Big 10. Johns Hopkins was a means to an end in a "minor" sport that nobody else was or is even looking at. Different situation, entirely.
My post emphasized MAJOR sports. With apologies to lacrosse fan (and, I like lacrosse--it is a hockey variant) it is far down the ladder rung, even, from hockey. And, I readily acknowledge that there is probably an element of people reading this post, even here at USCHO, that would argue that even hockey isn't a "major" NCAA sport.
I think it is, though.
Lacrosse is not a "major" sport and Johns Hopkins is a totally unique situation in lacrosse in that they are THE power in the sport much like Everest is THE mountain.
The Big 10 needed a 6th team to even have a conference league in lacrosse, a sport in which I have seen zero speculation about any other Big 10 school adding.
We're having a hard enough time finding 2 schools to add hockey in the Big 10. Johns Hopkins was a means to an end in a "minor" sport that nobody else was or is even looking at. Different situation, entirely.
My post emphasized MAJOR sports. With apologies to lacrosse fan (and, I like lacrosse--it is a hockey variant) it is far down the ladder rung, even, from hockey. And, I readily acknowledge that there is probably an element of people reading this post, even here at USCHO, that would argue that even hockey isn't a "major" NCAA sport.
I think it is, though.