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Bingo, the playing field has leveled off and anyone can win it. Not just the big boys anymore.
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Arizona State Moving To D1
- Thread starter TonyTheTiger20
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Bingo, the playing field has leveled off and anyone can win it. Not just the big boys anymore.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Until when or if they build an on campus facility that also includes practice ice (if it is a multipurpose building) then "success" (defined by me as competing for conference and/or national championships) is a practical impossibility. It won't happen until that occurs. And, as things stand right now, there are ZERO concrete plans for such a facility.
Since that process has not even yet begun there, you are looking at probably 4-6 years for this to be in place and that is IF the process began, today.
You have to raise the money, design a facility along the lines of the funds available, obtain the land (something that would require state approval even if they have available space on campus they already own), and then build the facility. And, as mentioned earlier in the thread by me, the going rate for something along these lines (about the cost of both PSU's and UNO's new arenas) is 90 million dollars, minimum. There will need to be a clear-cut consensus in the student population, the ASU fanbase/boosters, school administration, and the state legislature to make all this happen.
At this juncture, I don't think anything is "inevitable" at ASU. They can get all this accomplished, even, and it's hockey success still isn't inevitable. The necessary facilities are only one piece of the puzzle. There is then the little matter of the players and coaches needed that are capable of delivering that "success". That is already an issue since they have absolutely nothing, really, to recruit to at this very moment and that will continue to show up in their recruiting until this is definitively addressed.
ASU may end up being a factor at some distant time, but not in the today's foreseeable future.
Until when or if they build an on campus facility that also includes practice ice (if it is a multipurpose building) then "success" (defined by me as competing for conference and/or national championships) is a practical impossibility. It won't happen until that occurs. And, as things stand right now, there are ZERO concrete plans for such a facility.
Since that process has not even yet begun there, you are looking at probably 4-6 years for this to be in place and that is IF the process began, today.
You have to raise the money, design a facility along the lines of the funds available, obtain the land (something that would require state approval even if they have available space on campus they already own), and then build the facility. And, as mentioned earlier in the thread by me, the going rate for something along these lines (about the cost of both PSU's and UNO's new arenas) is 90 million dollars, minimum. There will need to be a clear-cut consensus in the student population, the ASU fanbase/boosters, school administration, and the state legislature to make all this happen.
At this juncture, I don't think anything is "inevitable" at ASU. They can get all this accomplished, even, and it's hockey success still isn't inevitable. The necessary facilities are only one piece of the puzzle. There is then the little matter of the players and coaches needed that are capable of delivering that "success". That is already an issue since they have absolutely nothing, really, to recruit to at this very moment and that will continue to show up in their recruiting until this is definitively addressed.
ASU may end up being a factor at some distant time, but not in the today's foreseeable future.
#1collegehockeyfan
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Let's not forget this ASU move to D1 would never have even been thought of if wasn't for the goalies dad writing a check to make this happen.
Let's not forget this ASU move to D1 would never have even been thought of if wasn't for the goalies dad writing a check to make this happen.
gfmorris
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Red Cows: the hybrid schedules are a reflection of the fact that non-conference games are scheduled many years in advance. You generally can't join a league right away these days, so to get your kids enough games to feel like they're playing hockey still, you have to schedule non D-I teams and apply for the waiver. UAH ran into this a couple of years ago when that cretin Mack Portera killed the program for six weeks, causing every school that had us on the docket for the next 2-3 years to drop us like a bad habit. We're really lucky that we're in a league with 28 home games and get at least one exempted series a year — although most years that will likely mean 22-24 road games for us. (Although Corbett has said that he won't schedule 38 games again. Our kids were so spent by the end of the season.)
GFM
Red Cows: the hybrid schedules are a reflection of the fact that non-conference games are scheduled many years in advance. You generally can't join a league right away these days, so to get your kids enough games to feel like they're playing hockey still, you have to schedule non D-I teams and apply for the waiver. UAH ran into this a couple of years ago when that cretin Mack Portera killed the program for six weeks, causing every school that had us on the docket for the next 2-3 years to drop us like a bad habit. We're really lucky that we're in a league with 28 home games and get at least one exempted series a year — although most years that will likely mean 22-24 road games for us. (Although Corbett has said that he won't schedule 38 games again. Our kids were so spent by the end of the season.)
GFM
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
It'll be hard to top the speed at which Ohio State's success in hockey has come.
#1collegehockeyfan
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
It will be cool to see what teams will try to schedule NC games with ASU. I believe teams who have a tougher time scheduling home NC games will welcome ASU to play in their barn. Teams like UAH, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, LSSU, Wisconsin and NMU.
It will be cool to see what teams will try to schedule NC games with ASU. I believe teams who have a tougher time scheduling home NC games will welcome ASU to play in their barn. Teams like UAH, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, LSSU, Wisconsin and NMU.
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
qft
Break that program up and give someone else a shot please.
qft
Break that program up and give someone else a shot please.
purpleinnebraska
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
LOL, and I never discourage mocking THE, but even they have made the Frozen Four in the last 20 years, which few members of AHA, ECAC, or WCHA can claim. Again, the point being, it's better to be big than small. It doesn't guarantee success, but it makes it a heck of a lot easier.
LOL, and I never discourage mocking THE, but even they have made the Frozen Four in the last 20 years, which few members of AHA, ECAC, or WCHA can claim. Again, the point being, it's better to be big than small. It doesn't guarantee success, but it makes it a heck of a lot easier.
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
RIT played a hybrid D-III/D-I schedule their first season as an independent. The next year they won the AHA regular season championship. The hybrid year also allowed RIT to play some traditional foes one last time for posterity's sake -- so I think you too quickly dismiss ASU's club opponents as "opponents [the fans] have little interest in seeing".
Powers &8^]
Red Cows;6066786I am also not in favor of the whole "dipping your toe in the pool to see how hot the water is" approach to starting a D-1 program used by Penn State and is now said:
RIT played a hybrid D-III/D-I schedule their first season as an independent. The next year they won the AHA regular season championship. The hybrid year also allowed RIT to play some traditional foes one last time for posterity's sake -- so I think you too quickly dismiss ASU's club opponents as "opponents [the fans] have little interest in seeing".
Powers &8^]
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
They're not the only ones. Penn State played a number of club teams in their first year, too.
They're not the only ones. Penn State played a number of club teams in their first year, too.
#1collegehockeyfan
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Just two seasons ago UAH Chargers played D3/club teams to salvage a schedule.
John J. MacInnes
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I heard from a reliable source over the weekend that Michigan will be visiting Arizona State next season already. He'll be on the trip with the team, so I consider that to be pretty hard to discount.
I heard from a reliable source over the weekend that Michigan will be visiting Arizona State next season already. He'll be on the trip with the team, so I consider that to be pretty hard to discount.
Spartanforlife4
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I hope State waits until they're fully varsity to schedule them. I'm still not over losing to a half club team in PSU's first year.
In expansion talk, because you can never have enough expansion talk, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arizona take the leap next whenever they can find a donor. The club team is averaging 2000-3000 a game and charges up to $20 a ticket, and now their biggest rival has gone big time.
I hope State waits until they're fully varsity to schedule them. I'm still not over losing to a half club team in PSU's first year.
In expansion talk, because you can never have enough expansion talk, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arizona take the leap next whenever they can find a donor. The club team is averaging 2000-3000 a game and charges up to $20 a ticket, and now their biggest rival has gone big time.
#1collegehockeyfan
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Great to see. Why would UM want to play a club team?
gfmorris
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Establish dominance early and never let up.
GFM
Establish dominance early and never let up.
GFM
#1collegehockeyfan
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It would be great for college hockey to see another western team join the mix.
32 Degrees!
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
I didn't read all the previous posts - so forgive me if this has been asked already; but is this now where everyone thinks George Gwozdecky is supposed to be going??
I didn't read all the previous posts - so forgive me if this has been asked already; but is this now where everyone thinks George Gwozdecky is supposed to be going??
Biddco
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
Actually, no one has. Although now that you mention it that would be a good place...
gfmorris
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Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
If they call with $300k or so as a starting point, he'll take their call. I never took Gwoz-to-UAH seriously (the Gavin Morgan connection notwithstanding) for that very reason.
GFM
If they call with $300k or so as a starting point, he'll take their call. I never took Gwoz-to-UAH seriously (the Gavin Morgan connection notwithstanding) for that very reason.
GFM
Re: Arizona State Moving To D1
To get an easy win, just like they did with Appalachian State.
*Ducks*
To get an easy win, just like they did with Appalachian State.
*Ducks*