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Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

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WeWantMore said:
So FOX is only evil because people watch it?
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Fox isn't evil. It's a very effective propoganda arm for the Republican party, undercutting any chance for an intellectually serious conservative movement to develop here and thus protecting (both) their market shares, but that isn't evil... it's just a helluva good business model. I'm sure there's a 90% overlap between investors in Fox and, say, Lockheed. Both great ROI, and mutually reinforcing.
 
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WeWantMore said:
So FOX is only evil because people watch it?
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Who says they are evil? They are simply a reflection of current state of politics. Little class, little substance.
 
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sagard said:
Who says they are evil? They are simply a reflection of current state of politics. Little class, little substance.
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Oh, Fox has a class, alright... ;)

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sagard said:
Who says they are evil? They are simply a reflection of current state of politics. Little class, little substance.
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Yeah, of course evil was hyperbole, but you said people shouldn't care about MSNBC because no one watches it. So how many people watch a network determines the standard it should be held to?
 
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John King on CNN last night:

"Before we go to break, I want to make a quick point. We were having a discussion about the Chicago mayoral race. My friend Andy Shaw used the term 'in the crosshairs' in talking about the candidates. We're trying, we're trying to get away from that language. Andy is a good friend, he's covered politics for a long time, but we're trying to get away from that kind of language."
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Really?
 
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I can't wait until three weeks from now when the Super Bowl champs talk about having a target on their backs next season, and Joe Buck must somberly apologize for inciting violence.

Maybe he can call it a disgusting act while he's at it.
 
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WeWantMore said:
I can't wait until three weeks from now when the Super Bowl champs talk about having a target on their backs next season, and Joe Buck must somberly apologize for inciting violence.

Maybe he can call it a disgusting act while he's at it.
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It's the "somber pose" that always makes me want to squeeze their heads. It's sort of the counter-point to the kind of scenery-chewing bombast that's endemic to talk radio but also finds its way into politics, action movie soliloquoys, etc. "You can't handle the truth!" :rolleyes:

Here's a great quote that summarizes both postures. It's about talk radio (from a conservative woman posting to a extremely-hard-right website) but it equally applies to the idiocy of the particular self-important cadence that tells you exactly what a guy is going to say before he even says it.

For a long time I listened to Rush: I enjoyed his intelligent criticism of liberal policies; his bracing energy; his sense of humor. If I was in the car long enough, Rush would bleed into Hannity and others, and I’d listen to them too. However, over the past few years, I found myself joining the female majority and changing stations when these shows came on. At first I thought I was doing so because, as a mother of three, I didn’t need another person in the car yelling at me. Then, when I’d force myself to listen, I felt like I was trapped in an elevator with someone whose ego squished me up against the doors: when they weren’t boasting about their moral courage or superior worldviews, they seemed to take everything that was happening politically as a personal slight–or achievement, depending on what it was (Electoral victory? All thanks to my listeners! Electoral defeat? The people were denied my message by the liberal media!). That is, when they weren’t trying to sell me a Sleep Number Bed. I’m sure many male listeners have tuned out for the same reasons.

But maybe this type of personality is just innately more off-putting to women. As women, we know this type of man. We may have dated this type of man. Lord knows, we may have married and divorced this type of man. But however we may have come across him we know this much: We want to get to our floor and leave the elevator as quickly as possible.
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While it apparently mesmerizes thousands of men, perhaps the insecure who like to see themselves aggrandized by over-the-top rhetoric, I don't think it's gender-based. I've always just found it to be like overhearing middle school boys brag. It's maturity-based.

But somebody who does listen has assured me 5/8ths of the audience is in on the joke, and I guess I can see that. I don't think it's a funny joke, but I listened to Jim Rome's act for years and found it very funny while people who only occasionally listened were appalled and offended by it. And of course at some point the joke of that misreading becomes the point and everything gets very meta.
 
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Kepler said:
But somebody who does listen has assured me 5/8ths of the audience is in on the joke, and I guess I can see that.
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At the risk of my extremist image, I do listen to Rush very occasionally but can only stand about an hour per month total on the way to Subway now and then. It got boring about 12 years ago.
I do consider myself conservative, but in avoidance of boredom, my opinion sources are mostly liberal-leaning web outlets and NPR. I don't care to read or hear my own opinion.
don't tell the others.
I do think Rush is a brilliant talent.
 
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trucker said:
Scooby, you'll appreciate this back and forth:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41146169#41146169
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They're trying to steal Chris Rock's idea?

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geezer said:
I don't care to read or hear my own opinion.
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This is why I can't listen to Air America or read Daily Kos (or, increasingly, Daily Dish) for more than a couple minutes a month. Emerson wrote:

Great works of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this. They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression with good-humored inflexibility then most when the whole cry of voices is on the other side. Else, to-morrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another.
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But what's even worse is hearing one's own opinion stated poorly, particularly before a broad audience. That's irritating, since it often gives uncommitted people a false idea of the depth of the real argument. That must be what it is like for, say, a fiscal conservative to listen to Norquist.

OTOH, reading or hearing the opposing view stated intelligently and thoughtfully is one of life's great pleasures, since it actually forces one to think, and it dispels the illusion that someone on the opposing side must ipso facto be an idiot. That's why The Long View is one of the my favorite blogs, and Chesterton and Russell Kirk one of my favorite authors. There is nothing quite like the heady feeling of reading somebody who is more well-read than you are. :) There are a handful of really thoughtful conservative blogs out there as well. A good rule is any conservative that the likes of Frum, VDH, Hewitt or Poderholtz attacks may be worth reading. More are inconsistent, on point some days and lost in the weeds on others, like Krauthammer and Reynolds (and for that matter many of the libertarians).

BTW, I don't think of you as an extremist. You seem much more of a curmudgeon. ;)
 
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trucker said:
Scooby, you'll appreciate this back and forth:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41146169#41146169
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So, we need to see each other as "children of God" and that will prevent the tragedy? Did I actually hear the Congressman say that he doesn't believe there is evil in the world? Seriously? The premise is that if there just wasn't any evil in the World then tragedies like this won't occur?

No kidding. I had no idea that if there were no evil in the World this wouldn't happen.
 
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Why not 3 bullets per clip? How often do you have to defend yourself from a gang of 10 while walking down Nicollet Mall?
 
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walrus said:
I went to his website and while it talks about his history, very impressive, but doesn't really say much about his vision for the country. Like me he thinks the present path is leading to ruin but how will he change it?
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Cain profiled in Slate. He sounds completely unobjectionable. Vanilla, if you will. ;)

I hope he can manage to turn the GOP primaries into something more than their 2008 contest over who would waterboard the most Mexican A-rab lez-beans. Romney must be thinking, "oh, great. Me, but with no record to defend."
 
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Why not 3 bullets per clip? How often do you have to defend yourself from a gang of 10 while walking down Nicollet Mall?
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Well if you go with what the constitution actually refered to it should be only something that can be at most 3 shots per minute.
 
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