Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[Foxton]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Do you have to clear them manually? I was surprised they persisted even after I'd done a reply.

In this new version it doesn't seem to clear if you actually use them, so you'll probably have to manually unclick the button. There's probably a setting somewhere but I can't be bothered to find it.

Can you edumacate me on how to use this thing called "Internet Explorer"?

No, because you shouldn't be using it.

So two weeks ago it was wrong to accuse Sarah Palin and others on the Right by claiming any link between their gun rhetoric and a guy shooting a Congresswoman in the head.
Last week Palin said he was "apolitical."
Last night she said he "leans to the left" politically.
A couple more weeks and he'll be the love child of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

Seems to be a big blind spot that Fox and noobs haven't stopped complaining about political motivations of anybody and everybody since it happened.

And then there's this. ~3 minutes in.
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Unrelated but GLEEEEEEEEEE Neil deGrasse Tyson on the show tonight.

 

[geezer]

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Here's an interesting survey. 56% of Democrats and 15% of Republicans figger the shooting is mostly or moderately Sarah Palin's fault (page 13).
The recent characterization of Loughner as "left-leaning" started in response to some interviews of his friends who said he was a "truther" who thought Bush & Cheney snuck into the WTC and set up explosives, or whatever it is that truthers theorize. He wanted to bring down Bush & Co. I'd call him simply mentally ill (or is that the same as left-leaning? ).

 

[Kepler]

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Here's an interesting survey. 56% of Democrats and 15% of Republicans figger the shooting is mostly or moderately Sarah Palin's fault (page 13).

That's an... interesting... summary of that poll question which, BTW, has 53% for Moderates.

The only real substantive difference I see in that poll is that if women voted more we'd have stricter gun control laws. They're really not all that impressed with the whole "the bigger the Glock, the smaller the cock," thing.

 

[geezer]

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That's an... interesting... summary of that poll question which, BTW, has 53% for Moderates.

I didn't see that part, but across all categories it's truly amazing. The 15% of Repubs is shockingly high in itself. Idiots.
edit: it's actually 40% of "moderates" (whatever that means) and 34% of "Independents" FWIW. The point was to point out the power of the news media over conventional wisdom.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Rarely do I do this but I turned on Rush on the way home from lunch.

He stated that everything would be better if we just take guns and keyboards (free speech) away from liberals.

 

[Kepler]

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I didn't see that part, but across all categories it's truly amazing. The 15% of Repubs is shockingly high in itself. Idiots.
edit: it's actually 40% of "moderates" (whatever that means) and 34% of "Independents" FWIW. The point was to point out the power of the news media over conventional wisdom.

Oops, I thought you were being purely snarky. I was referring to the prior part of the question re: "harsh rhetoric." I didn't see they asked specifically about Sacrificial Sarah.

 

[geezer]

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Rarely do I do this but I turned on Rush on the way home from lunch.

He stated that everything would be better if we just take guns and keyboards (free speech) away from liberals.

problem solved!
no but seriously, a friendly warning. It's best not to listen to Rush, or quote him without a smiley, if you don't have a sense of humor. He really has a knack for irritating people that don't get it. I think it's great fun.

 

[geezer]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Page 13, table 4. I see the positive response is also inversely proportional to income (education level)...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

problem solved!
no but seriously, a friendly warning. It's best not to listen to Rush, or quote him without a smiley, if you don't have a sense of humor. He really has a knack for irritating people that don't get it. I think it's great fun.

There's a reason they call it "irritainment." Listening to Rush is like listening to Paul Finebaum. Getting mad at him is as silly as taking him seriously. It's a drag act to make money; nothing more. 3/4 of his listeners don't get it, but that just makes it that much more lucrative for him.

If there was an extra dollar in it, Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly would be "straight talking liberals" faster than you could buy a gold stock.

 

[geezer]

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There's a reason they call it "irritainment." Listening to Rush is like listening to Paul Finebaum. Getting mad at him is as silly as taking him seriously. It's a drag act to make money; nothing more. 3/4 of his listeners don't get it, but that just makes it that much more lucrative for him.

If there was an extra dollar in it, Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly would be "straight talking liberals" faster than you could buy a gold stock.

I agree, except that as usual you're underestimating the intellectual acuity of most conservative people (the bulk of his audience). It's more like 3/8 that don't get it.

 

[Kepler]

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I agree, except that as usual you're underestimating the intellectual acuity of most conservative people (the bulk of his audience). It's more like 3/8 that don't get it.

That's still 3/8ths too many. But I can only judge by my conservative coworkers and friends, and among them, starting from the Palin side of the intellectual spectrum and progressing through flat worms and towards basic mental skills, there's a solid bar of listeners up to "managed to graduate college," after which there's a solid block of "he's so embarassing to our side I wish he would just disappear."

There does not seem to be a lot of sophisticated irony among his listeners, but hey, they may get the joke within the joke within the sweater. ;-)

And of course, one can say exactly the same thing for the listeners of Randi Rhodes. Although I think Rhodes is like Beck -- they actually believe their tripe.

 

[Old Pio]

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I've been thinking about Funky Winkerbean, you know, the kid who's the hall monitor with a water cooled machine gun on his desk.

The problem here is not that lefty columnists, bloggers and politicians put that garbage about Palin out there. The problem is the MSM reported it, without context. Generally, no effort to point out that so far, no one's established that Loughner knew or cared who Sarah Palin was, let alone that he ever went to her web page, saw the map and became homicidally enraged. by it.

Very little effort to show the map and its graphics were by no means unique. Bot parties have used similar "targeting" maps.

Practically no effort to show the language "lock and load" et al is hardly an incitement to violence and is also commonly used, and not just in politics, "We're gonna shoot down high prices," etc.

And no context with previous allegations that a right wing "element of hate" was responsible for a terrible crime: Dallas in '63 and Oklahoma City, to name the two worst examples. Ironicallly, in Dallas, part of the evidence of the "climate of hate" was General Edwin Walker, former Army dude with some extreme views who had become a media celebrity. I say ironic, because Oswald tried to kill him, too.

Let's look at Katrina, where Kanye West, the drunk, made his famous hit on Bush. Well, the overwhelmingly white Coast Guard kids risked their lives to pluck fifty thousand mostly black citizens of NO off their roofs. Was that effort discussed in that context? Not as I recall.

When Houston and Harris County made a massive effort to provide shelter, food and services for folks driven out of NO by the storm, I recall seeing complaints that the buses that brought them to Houston weren't air conditioned and that the folks shouldn't be referred to as a "refugees." Valid points, to be sure, but surely not the main story. So once again, the MSM were derelict in simply transmitting ignorant, mean spirited, biased informtion without any context. See above. And one of the images I recall from Katrina is that huge parking lot, with hundreds of NO school buses, parked, with water up to the axels, and unused after the catatrophe. Bush' fault? Or Ray Nagin's? Did the MSM point that out? Not as I recall. At least not in context of West's remarks.

 

[Old Pio]

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There's a reason they call it "irritainment." Listening to Rush is like listening to Paul Finebaum. Getting mad at him is as silly as taking him seriously. It's a drag act to make money; nothing more. 3/4 of his listeners don't get it, but that just makes it that much more lucrative for him.

If there was an extra dollar in it, Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly would be "straight talking liberals" faster than you could buy a gold stock.

The same way the radio stations that carry those programs would switch to a format of Mitch Miller and bowling scores if it helped their ratings.

 

[Old Pio]

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Rarely do I do this but I turned on Rush on the way home from lunch.

He stated that everything would be better if we just take guns and keyboards (free speech) away from liberals.

Yeah, like no liberal punk has ever suggested anything that could even remotely be construed as an infringement on free speech, at least not today.

 

[unofan]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

The same way the radio stations that carry those programs would switch to a format of Mitch Miller and bowling scores if it helped their ratings.

What's the line about Howard Stern? Something like:
Most People listen to the radio for 8 minutes before flipping the station. Howard Stern gets fans to listen for 30 minutes, because they want to hear what he's going to say next. Detractors of Howard Stern listen for an hour...because they want to hear what he's going to say next.

Same applies to Rush, to an extent.

 

[Old Pio]

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What's the line about Howard Stern? Something like:
Most People listen to the radio for 8 minutes before flipping the station. Howard Stern gets fans to listen for 30 minutes, because they want to hear what he's going to say next. Detractors of Howard Stern listen for an hour...because they want to hear what he's going to say next.

Same applies to Rush, to an extent.

The two key contributors to radio ratings are the cumulative audience (how many people actually tune in) and time spent listening, which explains itself. There's another metric called "exclusive cume," which measures people who listen to your station and none other.

I worked for a station in Houston that won several ratings "books" with a middling total cume, but sky high TSL and the highest exclusive cume in town. If Howard can keep them listening for more than eight minutes, whatever station is involved gets credit in the ratings for the whole quarter hour. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but those quarter hours add up when you're talking about thousands of people.

In the old days, before all of the talk syndication, the classic formulation used to be: have a conservative and a liberal host. That way, the believers would listen to the guy they hated and complain about it to the guys they liked. "Did you hear what that idiot said. . ."

One time in Omaha one well loved personality announced he was thinking about quitting because he couldn't get along with me. When my turn came, I allowed that it was good riddance. This touched off an avalance of people, risking their health, to call and tell me what a putz I was. Of course, my buddy was in the studio, with his dead down on the desk, laughing himself silly at how gullible some people are. We decided afterward we should be come radio evangelists and peddle St. John the Baptist steak knives.

Some folks take this stuff way too seriously. For all of my alleged conservative faults, the libs around here apparantly do way more Rush listening and Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck and Palin watching than I do. In my case, the score is zero. BTW, I don't count it as "listening to Beck" when he's on the air at a station where I'm working. Stations generally carry "air" throughout the building, doesn't mean anybody's paying attention. It's like Muzak.

 

[sagard]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

What's the line about Howard Stern? Something like:
Most People listen to the radio for 8 minutes before flipping the station. Howard Stern gets fans to listen for 30 minutes, because they want to hear what he's going to say next. Detractors of Howard Stern listen for an hour...because they want to hear what he's going to say next.

Same applies to Rush, to an extent.

This is what confuses me about people who complain about MSNBC. Nobody is listening, so who cares what they say?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is what confuses me about people who complain about MSNBC. Nobody is listening, so who cares what they say?

They care because Bill O'Reilly told them to care.

 

[Old Pio]

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This is what confuses me about people who complain about MSNBC. Nobody is listening, so who cares what they say?

Exactly so. People in a free country deciding, for themselves, what they want to consume. I watched MSNBC on election night and the night Scott Brown won. Some of the most entertaining TV ever.

 

[WeWantMore]

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This is what confuses me about people who complain about MSNBC. Nobody is listening, so who cares what they say?

So FOX is only evil because people watch it?