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Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

It's always interesting when people have personal contact with and knowledge of candidates, so they can see beneath the carefully constructed media image. If it's not an imposition, could you share how you know him (professionally? socially?) and what you think of him? Thanks.

Herman was CEO of Godfather's Pizza, headquartered in Omaha when I had (you'll find this impossible to believe) a talk show. Herman had made an appearance on a natonally televised townhall deal about health care. People were invited, for the purpose of questioning Bill about Hillarycare. Anyway, when Herman's turn came he told Bill he couldn't afford to provide insurance for all his workers. And Bill's answer, suffused with that knowledge he has about the private sector, having never worked a day in his life in it said: "Well, just raise your prices." Herman firmly explained that his customers were extrremely price conscious, that 65% of 'em were coming in on coupons. You know, the young working class guy and his wife and two kids coming in on the family meal deal. Herman said these customers would either go somewhere else or reduce the frequency of their visits to his stores. He said he could insure his workers under those circumstances, there would just be many fewer workers to cover.

In other words Herman slam dunked Clinton, which warmed me up to him considerably. He subsequently made a couple of apearances on my show, we had lunch a few times, etc. So my familiarity is professional. And I've made no study of his points of view. Don't know what he thinks about the new Chinese stealth fighter, etc. However, he is a very charming guy who can talk to just about anybody. He's conservative, but really don't know if he's fiscal or social or some combination. I iknow he sings and he's pretty good.

Last year he ran unsuccessfully for the Republican senate nomination in North (?) Carolina. Don't know if he had Tea Party support or not.

All of that is irrelevant, should he actually begin to campaign. As with most candidates, it will be explained to him what he believes in most instances. Or at least his views will be tweaked. And we'll get a clearer picture of where he stands. I can say this with certainty, he's a first class guy, a very successful businessman and the kind of guy who, given the opportunity, could possibly break through on the national scene. Republicans have this bad habit of nominating the guy who's next in line, Dole--McCain and Herman has no base of support, since he's never held elective office.

But I've never had spaghetti at Travato's with any other potential president (except for Bob Kerry) and I find it intriguing. I'm guessing most of us could be charmed into supporting people we would normally excoriate, if we had the chance to meet them and gauge them personally instead ofthrough sound bites and TV spots and phony gotcha "debates." Herman doesn't fall into that category, of course.

My take? We could do way worse.
 
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having had an opportunity to meet, interact, hold discussions with and in some cases socialize with many politicians, they are just another cross section of America. some are kind and caring, others stupid, some slick, some brilliant, some nice, some nasty, most have a health self esteem. some are in it for money or power, others truly called to serve.

True, except for one thing. At least among the DC brand, on the ambition scale of 1 to 10 they all hit at least a 73.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Herman was CEO of Godfather's Pizza, headquartered in Omaha when I had (you'll find this impossible to believe) a talk show. Herman had made an appearance on a natonally televised townhall deal about health care. People were invited, for the purpose of questioning Bill about Hillarycare. Anyway, when Herman's turn came he told Bill he couldn't afford to provide insurance for all his workers. And Bill's answer, suffused with that knowledge he has about the private sector, having never worked a day in his life in it said: "Well, just raise your prices." Herman firmly explained that his customers were extrremely price conscious, that 65% of 'em were coming in on coupons. You know, the young working class guy and his wife and two kids coming in on the family meal deal. Herman said these customers would either go somewhere else or reduce the frequency of their visits to his stores. He said he could insure his workers under those circumstances, there were just be many fewer workers to cover.

In other words Herman slam dunked Clinton, which warmed me up to him considerably. He subsequently made a couple of apearances on my show, we had lunch a few times, etc. So my familiarity is professional. And I've made no study of his points of view. Don't know what he thinks about the new Chinese stealth fighter, etc. However, he is a very charming guy who can talk to just about anybody. He's conservative, but really don't know if he's fiscal or social or some combination. I iknow he sings and he's pretty good.

Last year he ran unsuccessfully for the Republican senate nomination in North (?) Carolina. Don't know if he had Tea Party support or not.

All of that is irrelevant, should he actually begin to campaign. As with most candidates, it will be explained to him what he believes in most instances. Or at least his views will be tweaked. And we'll get a clearer picture of where he stands. I can say this with certainty, he's a first class guy, a very successful businessman and the kind of guy who, given the opportunity, could possibly break through on the national scene. Republicans have this bad habit of nominating the guy who's next in line, Dole--McCain and Herman has no base of support, since he's never held elective office.

But I've never had spaghetti at Travato's with any other potential president (except for Bob Kerry) and I find it intriguing. I'm guessing most of us could be charmed into supporting people we would normally excoriate, if we had the chance to meet them and gauge them personally instead ofthrough sound bites and TV spots and phony gotcha "debates." Herman doesn't fall into that category, of course.

My take? We could do way worse.

Thanks for your perspective and insights. Also, I don't find it in the least surprising that you had a talk show -- you definitely give off the vibe (and not in a bad way).
 
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True, except for one thing. At least among the DC brand, on the ambition scale of 1 to 10 they all hit at least a 73.

Ha! I was trying to sweet the ambition part by calling it "healthy self-esteem".
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Cain ran for Senate in Georgia in '08. So before the Tea Party, and I think he lost to Chambliss in the primary relatively convincingly.

I'm very intrigued by him as a candidate though.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

I'm referencing the AZ shooting of congresswoman Giffords and others by a deranged individual with no political affiliations.
Immediately after the shooting, Paul Krugman (NYT) and Keith Olbermann made and announced the assumption on their respective outlets that Sarah Palin must be somehow responsible (as is their habit since "Bush's fault" became dated). This delicious little bit of news was picked up throughout the mainstream media, and someone dug out an old campaign ad of Palin's that showed "crosshairs" on "targeted" districts. It was revealed by multiple "news" outlets that these crosshairs did not in fact represent targeted voting districts, but rather orders to her secret army of killers, including Loughner, to shoot Democrats in those districts. The meme became so popular that it's still circulating as fact among Democrats a week later in spite of being nonsense on its face.

So that equals "assassination orders" to her "secret army." No, no paranoid delusions on the right.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

It's funny, the author of the piece you quoted is pining for Kirsten Powers. Interestingly, it sounds like she was far more critical of the speech than those evil right wingers were.
Some Tweets:

So the best you can do to criticize the speech is quote a sorta-liberal on Twitter, and repeat talking points about a "pep rally."

Sounds like a horrible speech.
 
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Except nobody is. But keep at it.

The point I was trying to make was in the wake of this outrage (I much prefer that to "tragedy" in Tuscon) it is inevitable that in the short run at least, we're going to be treated to heavy breathing stories every time some guy e-mails a threat to some congressman (if he's a democrat, and the guy sending the e-mail is a Palin supporter--gold).

I have no idea how many threats come in to federal officials every year, including POTUS, but I assume it's a very healthy number. Sadly. But we're making a mistake to view those threats from the very short term, like since Obama was elected. The nature of the threats and the threateners changes with the political situation in Washington. Reublicans controlling congress and the WH, more threats to Republicans. Conservatives appearing to win in their efforrts to require prayer in McDonald's before you can order your toy free Happy Meal? More threats to conservatives.

Oswald, Sirhan, Hinkley, Chapman, Frome, Bremer, Patler and Loughner. None of them announced their intentions in advance. And while prudence dictates you can't ignore people who do threaten, experience shows us the real danger comes from people who aren't considered threatening, right up to the moment they begin pulling the trigger.
 
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Cain ran for Senate in Georgia in '08. So before the Tea Party, and I think he lost to Chambliss in the primary relatively convincingly.

I'm very intrigued by him as a candidate though.

Thanks. I had lost track of him after we both left the Big O. He's a guy who's hard not to like and probably has a pretty good life story to sell. Poor black kid rises to the top of the corporate world, etc. etc. I have no knowledge of his life story at all, just guessing. Anyway, he's an enormously long shot. But suppose he gets on a debate somewhere, Id be telling everyone "I know that guy."
 
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So the best you can do to criticize the speech is quote a sorta-liberal on Twitter, and repeat talking points about a "pep rally."

Sounds like a horrible speech.

Good lord. You have a serious reading comprehension problem. I didn't see one word of the speech. From what I've seen in terms of reactions, it seems it was quite good.

However, the author of the piece said he would have liked to have seen Powers response. My reaction is "You sure?"
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Good lord. You have a serious reading comprehension problem. I didn't see one word of the speech. From what I've seen in terms of reactions, it seems it was quite good.

However, the author of the piece said he would have liked to have seen Powers response. My reaction is "You sure?"

The author was using irony to wonder why Fox "News" didn't have on a token Democratic apologist, not implying that she wanted to see her.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

That was either an excellent ironic parody or the quintessential summary of what it's like to be inside a right winger's head.

I'm voting parody.

Rover was way more fun than you guys. Whatever happened to him? Plus, you should give 5mn time to wind up before you state these things out in the open. He's probably as angry as Rover, just not as quick on the keyboard.
 
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the reaction to Sarah Palin is way overblown. I believe these reactions say way more about the person making them than it does about Sarah Palin herself.

And now we have to hear about how it was overblown at nauseum.

Plus, you should give 5mn time to wind up before you state these things out in the open.

What?
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

It's true. Everyone's out to get you. :eek:

Only one freaky poster who has been taking notes on me and has asked to meet me in person.

Point is your statement made no sense:

Plus, you should give 5mn time to wind up before you state these things out in the open.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

I'd make Sarah Palin pay rent if she was living in my head like that, just me though.
No no. I meant 5mn_Major. Even though Sarah Palin might deserve to be the constant "target" (sorry) of derision, paranoia, and deviant fantasies by liberals, I don't include myself in that group most of the time. Find a full time liberal.
 
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Point is your statement made no sense:

Plus, you should give 5mn time to wind up before you state these things out in the open.
Well good then. No harm, no foul.
 
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

No no. I meant 5mn_Major. Even though Sarah Palin might deserve to be the constant "target" (sorry) of derision, paranoia, and deviant fantasies by liberals, I don't include myself in that group most of the time. Find a full time liberal.

Proof? Please explain.
 
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