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Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Thanks for a laugh on a very bad day.
Thanks for a laugh on a very bad day.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Is it really that big a deal either way? No need to get so defensive over it.
On another note: you've gone this far without *****ing and moaning about Giffords' politics, so you get a gold star.
Is it really that big a deal either way? No need to get so defensive over it.
On another note: you've gone this far without *****ing and moaning about Giffords' politics, so you get a gold star.
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I haven't uttered a single word about Ms. Gifford's politics. And for good reason: Her politics aren't relevant to this horrible act. Generally speaking, I take a dim view of attempting to assassinate elected officials (or anyone else, for that matter) because of their beliefs. Apparantly in your world anyone who disagrees with you MUST advocate or at least justify violence to politicians simply BECAUSE they disagree with you. You're pathetic. So take your gold star and rotate.
As to the usage issues, I'm merely trying to educate the uneducable.
I haven't uttered a single word about Ms. Gifford's politics. And for good reason: Her politics aren't relevant to this horrible act. Generally speaking, I take a dim view of attempting to assassinate elected officials (or anyone else, for that matter) because of their beliefs. Apparantly in your world anyone who disagrees with you MUST advocate or at least justify violence to politicians simply BECAUSE they disagree with you. You're pathetic. So take your gold star and rotate.
As to the usage issues, I'm merely trying to educate the uneducable.
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gojackets
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wow I don't even know where to begin. Your comment that I shouldn't say anything negative about this guy because he "served" the country is what I have an issue with. Never once have I tried to smear the person...I don't know who he is...I don't care to know who he is. I quoted a story on yahoo. I found that part of the story to be amusing. In no way was I trying to besmirch the reputation of some lowly congressman...err representative wannabe who lost....as this article was posted as THE article on yahoo...seen by millions worldwide...i don't think I was the one with a "desire to to smear a guy don't know" Do I think it was wrong for the wannabe's spokesperson to say that he didn't see a connection between the wannabe's gunshooting rally and this incident...and not acknowledge that that probably wasn't the best tactic...then yes...I think that was wrong.
You can take your potshots at me all you want...I really don't care what you think of me. My guess is that you are one of these old republican blowhards that are driving this state down the drain, your views on mexicans are clear...do you live in Sun City so you don't have to waste your tax money on public education?? As I said...my issue is that you got all mad at me for posting something negative about a former marine...when that really has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I have said...and I don't see that as a right to do or say whatever you want.
wow I don't even know where to begin. Your comment that I shouldn't say anything negative about this guy because he "served" the country is what I have an issue with. Never once have I tried to smear the person...I don't know who he is...I don't care to know who he is. I quoted a story on yahoo. I found that part of the story to be amusing. In no way was I trying to besmirch the reputation of some lowly congressman...err representative wannabe who lost....as this article was posted as THE article on yahoo...seen by millions worldwide...i don't think I was the one with a "desire to to smear a guy don't know" Do I think it was wrong for the wannabe's spokesperson to say that he didn't see a connection between the wannabe's gunshooting rally and this incident...and not acknowledge that that probably wasn't the best tactic...then yes...I think that was wrong.
You can take your potshots at me all you want...I really don't care what you think of me. My guess is that you are one of these old republican blowhards that are driving this state down the drain, your views on mexicans are clear...do you live in Sun City so you don't have to waste your tax money on public education?? As I said...my issue is that you got all mad at me for posting something negative about a former marine...when that really has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I have said...and I don't see that as a right to do or say whatever you want.
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gojackets
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Now let's not forget the reason for this thread...
Representative Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head today..and is miraculously awake and coherent.
Not so fortunate were 6 other people who were killed by the shooter...including a 9 year old girl, a Giffords staffer, and 4 citizens who wanted to meet their congresswoman
Now let's not forget the reason for this thread...
Representative Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head today..and is miraculously awake and coherent.
Not so fortunate were 6 other people who were killed by the shooter...including a 9 year old girl, a Giffords staffer, and 4 citizens who wanted to meet their congresswoman
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And no one refers to someone named Gabriele with a title ending in "man." BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MAN.
And no one refers to someone named Gabriele with a title ending in "man." BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MAN.
gojackets
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
every news article I have seen refers to her as a congresswoman....(edit) or representative
every news article I have seen refers to her as a congresswoman....(edit) or representative
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Here we have a potential answer to the question: how ignorant can one person be?
And it's also illustrative of how demented some libs are, wanting to argue this silly usage question, in the wake of an unspeakable crime. Keep your priorities straight, ladies.
Here we have a potential answer to the question: how ignorant can one person be?
And it's also illustrative of how demented some libs are, wanting to argue this silly usage question, in the wake of an unspeakable crime. Keep your priorities straight, ladies.
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So? You should understand that these matters of style and pronunciation aren't handed down on golden tablets. Why just this week the Society for Professional Journalists issued an edict that henceforth no respectable journalist should use the word "illegal" to describe people who are here, uh, illegally. Instead, we should use the word "undocumented." They are certainly entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't make them right.
During the Vietnam war it was a matter of daily hilarity that UPI and AP disagreed over the pronunciation of the capital of Cambodia (Phnom Penh). Each wire service would send down a daily pronunciation list and one wire service insisted (I don't remember which) it was "Puhnam Pen," the other that it was "Nam Pen." After years of this nonsense, one of the wire services finally capitulated.
For many years the CBS style guide hilariously insisted the correct pronunciation of the word "junta" was "jun tah."
I list these boring factoids to illustrate the point that frequently there's more than one "correct" way to pronounce a word and to write a sentence.
So? You should understand that these matters of style and pronunciation aren't handed down on golden tablets. Why just this week the Society for Professional Journalists issued an edict that henceforth no respectable journalist should use the word "illegal" to describe people who are here, uh, illegally. Instead, we should use the word "undocumented." They are certainly entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't make them right.
During the Vietnam war it was a matter of daily hilarity that UPI and AP disagreed over the pronunciation of the capital of Cambodia (Phnom Penh). Each wire service would send down a daily pronunciation list and one wire service insisted (I don't remember which) it was "Puhnam Pen," the other that it was "Nam Pen." After years of this nonsense, one of the wire services finally capitulated.
For many years the CBS style guide hilariously insisted the correct pronunciation of the word "junta" was "jun tah."
I list these boring factoids to illustrate the point that frequently there's more than one "correct" way to pronounce a word and to write a sentence.
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Yes, of course. Although there's some question about just how "awake" and "coherent" the lady is. Please recall it was you who began channeling Andrew Sullivan to smear Mr. Kelly as somehow "responsible" for the horror of those events in Tucson. The person responsible is the person who pulled the trigger (and perhaps anyone who may have known what he intended to do or assisted him, if such people exist).
I would welcome a return to a less aggressive approach to our public discourse. But it is disengenuous at best and a **** lie at worst to suggest that one side is worse than the other in this regard. How quickly we forget the posters with cross hairs over Bush's face, and the suggestions he be shot and the films depicting his assassination. Let's try to bring a little honesty to this debate. As you say, we have six innocent people dead and a congressman trying to recover from potentially life altering injuries and all some people can think about is how to take political advantage of this repulsive act. That's another tragedy.
You see, I really do know what this thread's supposed to be about--since I started it. We should all be outraged at a lethal attack on a public official for merely doing her job. We settle political questions with ballots, not bullets. Something has changed in our country, and not for the better. My lasting image of the Reagan assassination attempt was Speaker Tip O'Neil in Reagan's hospital room, kneeling in prayer, holding Reagan's hand, with tears streaming down his face. Two great Americans.
Yes, of course. Although there's some question about just how "awake" and "coherent" the lady is. Please recall it was you who began channeling Andrew Sullivan to smear Mr. Kelly as somehow "responsible" for the horror of those events in Tucson. The person responsible is the person who pulled the trigger (and perhaps anyone who may have known what he intended to do or assisted him, if such people exist).
I would welcome a return to a less aggressive approach to our public discourse. But it is disengenuous at best and a **** lie at worst to suggest that one side is worse than the other in this regard. How quickly we forget the posters with cross hairs over Bush's face, and the suggestions he be shot and the films depicting his assassination. Let's try to bring a little honesty to this debate. As you say, we have six innocent people dead and a congressman trying to recover from potentially life altering injuries and all some people can think about is how to take political advantage of this repulsive act. That's another tragedy.
You see, I really do know what this thread's supposed to be about--since I started it. We should all be outraged at a lethal attack on a public official for merely doing her job. We settle political questions with ballots, not bullets. Something has changed in our country, and not for the better. My lasting image of the Reagan assassination attempt was Speaker Tip O'Neil in Reagan's hospital room, kneeling in prayer, holding Reagan's hand, with tears streaming down his face. Two great Americans.
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ScoobyDoo
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Apparently a 50 year old white male may be involved. I hope, I really do, that this doesn't end up being a situation where a disturbed individual was used by another to accomplish what the individual couldn't do himself.
Apparently a 50 year old white male may be involved. I hope, I really do, that this doesn't end up being a situation where a disturbed individual was used by another to accomplish what the individual couldn't do himself.
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
I have read through this thread but left it for a while-it just seemed a tad silly to be arguing if ladies can fit through a manhole or should that be personhole? Changing the common language can reach absurd levels-do young ladies still menstruate or do they now womenstruate? My earlier point was simply how scary it is to have these uncontrolled psychiatric aberrations walking around out there-some undiagnosed, others treated with taking medications voluntarily. Sometimes I wonder if the old days were not better in the way individuals who were dangerous to society were handled. Have we gone too far in the protection of individual rights (to freely roam the streets) at the expense of the safety of society in general? They have the alleged shooter in custody-the book is not closed yet on him. Perhaps we will find that he should have been in a safe place before all of this. Just my 2¢
I have read through this thread but left it for a while-it just seemed a tad silly to be arguing if ladies can fit through a manhole or should that be personhole? Changing the common language can reach absurd levels-do young ladies still menstruate or do they now womenstruate? My earlier point was simply how scary it is to have these uncontrolled psychiatric aberrations walking around out there-some undiagnosed, others treated with taking medications voluntarily. Sometimes I wonder if the old days were not better in the way individuals who were dangerous to society were handled. Have we gone too far in the protection of individual rights (to freely roam the streets) at the expense of the safety of society in general? They have the alleged shooter in custody-the book is not closed yet on him. Perhaps we will find that he should have been in a safe place before all of this. Just my 2¢
gojackets
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Please keep putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.
Please keep putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.
huskyfan
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Instead of all this silly finger pointing, could discuss the real issue: mental illness. how did this paranoid schizophrenic young man fall through the cracks? how was he able to get a gun? where were his parents? did they not realize he was ill? does the stigma associated with mental illness prevent people from getting help? are we putting enough $$$ and research into this devastating illness? what rights do the mental ill have? should this young man have been institutionalized? his college knew he had problems. is there any system to report this behavior and make sure follow up is done? our politicians and media our doing a great disservice by making this out to be a politically motivated shooting.
Instead of all this silly finger pointing, could discuss the real issue: mental illness. how did this paranoid schizophrenic young man fall through the cracks? how was he able to get a gun? where were his parents? did they not realize he was ill? does the stigma associated with mental illness prevent people from getting help? are we putting enough $$$ and research into this devastating illness? what rights do the mental ill have? should this young man have been institutionalized? his college knew he had problems. is there any system to report this behavior and make sure follow up is done? our politicians and media our doing a great disservice by making this out to be a politically motivated shooting.
gojackets
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
I'm sure that would be great...but wouldn't that lead to 1600's witch hunt style life. Are you suggesting everyone get psychiatrically evaluated? how often? What if I say....that guys crazy...does he go into a "safe" place as you say.
The accomplice they are showing pictures of...looks like a creepy old guy....but if that were a requirement for putting people away...then half of AZ would go away....I've changed my mind...put em away! Of course you can't tell when or what context the security camera footage of this "accomplice" was taken..but it makes it look like he is watching.
I'm sure that would be great...but wouldn't that lead to 1600's witch hunt style life. Are you suggesting everyone get psychiatrically evaluated? how often? What if I say....that guys crazy...does he go into a "safe" place as you say.
The accomplice they are showing pictures of...looks like a creepy old guy....but if that were a requirement for putting people away...then half of AZ would go away....I've changed my mind...put em away! Of course you can't tell when or what context the security camera footage of this "accomplice" was taken..but it makes it look like he is watching.
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gojackets
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Are you a psychiatrist? Have seen no mention of him being a schizo...and its been on the tv nonstop for the past 18 hours down here. There isn't a system in place because psychiatry isn't an absolute science. One psych could say he's a schizo and another could say he's not...which one is right?
Considering a US represnetative was targeted...he shot at her first...and there was an incindiary device found at her offices, I don't think its too far fetched to assume it was politcally motivated.
Are you a psychiatrist? Have seen no mention of him being a schizo...and its been on the tv nonstop for the past 18 hours down here. There isn't a system in place because psychiatry isn't an absolute science. One psych could say he's a schizo and another could say he's not...which one is right?
Considering a US represnetative was targeted...he shot at her first...and there was an incindiary device found at her offices, I don't think its too far fetched to assume it was politcally motivated.
WeWantMore
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
What sort of political motivation was it though?
What sort of political motivation was it though?
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Do you intentionally misread a statement or do you just try to read between the lines an insert your own thoughts? Nowhere in what I posted did I suggest anything about everyone having to get psychiatrically evaluated. But those that have shown that they are a danger to society-and there are plenty of them-are walking around out there, many on medications that they can freely stop taking. Something is wrong with that scenario. In trying to have fewer patients hospitalized-perhaps solely to save money-have we maybe thrown out the baby with the bathwater? Shouldn't there be some way to protect the vast majority of people from the nutcases? That is why I asked the simple question-have we gone too far in the past 50 or so years to protect the rights of these flakes at the expense of our personal security and the safety of society in general?
Do you intentionally misread a statement or do you just try to read between the lines an insert your own thoughts? Nowhere in what I posted did I suggest anything about everyone having to get psychiatrically evaluated. But those that have shown that they are a danger to society-and there are plenty of them-are walking around out there, many on medications that they can freely stop taking. Something is wrong with that scenario. In trying to have fewer patients hospitalized-perhaps solely to save money-have we maybe thrown out the baby with the bathwater? Shouldn't there be some way to protect the vast majority of people from the nutcases? That is why I asked the simple question-have we gone too far in the past 50 or so years to protect the rights of these flakes at the expense of our personal security and the safety of society in general?