Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[Old Pio]

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Hello? Let's see...there's this for starters



...oh, and this arseclown checked in just hours after the shootings



And of course, the truly loony left led it all off



Need I continue?

Oops, indeed I must. Four days after the shootings and areseclown #2 is still tying her to Laughner:

You know, you run the risk of missing something when you take a weekend trip out of the solar system.

 

[huskyfan]

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my thoughts. I did not like the screaming students - too much pep rally and not enough memorial service. I would have liked to see the president in black. Mrs. Obama also. the speech was ok. no Gettysburg address. Reagan, Bush, Clinton could all bring me to tears. Obama didn't do that. for me anyway.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Whats the deal with congress passing a resolution to condemn this shooting? Why bother?

It's a pointless gesture that doesn't do anything.

Plus if a congressman/woman wasn't part of the shooting I doubt there would be any resolution.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Whats the deal with congress passing a resolution to condemn this shooting? Why bother?

It's a pointless gesture that doesn't do anything.

Plus if a congressman/woman wasn't part of the shooting I doubt there would be any resolution.

On the list of pointless gestures the Congress is involved in on a yearly basis this one had more point than all the others.

 

[Old Pio]

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Let's start with this: Everything any president does is political. If pre election polling somewhere down the line shows a president will be hurt by voters if he pardons the Thanksgiving turkey, then you can bet your last farthing that the Vice President will handle that task.

It is inevitable in an event like this any president will benefit, for how much and how long only time will tell. Besides, doing what's right and what's politically helpful aren't mutually exclusive

I thought the president was very good. Maybe the best I've ever seen him. And he was very presidential. The announcement that Gabbie had opened her eyes was a showstopper and the close, about making the country good enough for the little girl, was terrific.

I was thinking that maybe there was too much of a pep rally feel to the event. Then I thought back to Virginia Tech. Both had very young crowds, that on some level were proud of their universitys, even under terrible circumstances. You kinda got the feeling of that when the president was listing the CVs of the victims. And his mention that Judge Roll had 5 grandkids got a round of applause. My perspective here is the speech Reagan gave at the Johnson Space Center after Challenger. I was there. I can't even recall it now without misting up. Afterward you'll recall he went into the audience and hugged all the family members. Very hard to compare President Obama to that. The fact that our president isn't Reagan is hardly news, besides almost nobody is.

Certainly the template for bad behavior in an event like this was established by Paul Wellstone's kids and supporters. Booing the Majority Leader of the Senate when he came in? Hard to find any justificatiion for that.

The president touched on the controversies that have surrounded this event and put them in their proper place.

And because some people want and deserve it, here's some red meat for them to choke on: Whoever got Tonto or Chief Thunderthud or whoever that clown was to deliver the "invocation," should be horsewhipped. It's not because he's Native American, it's because he evidently thought the gathering was about him. So a nice 90 second invocation was insufficient for his moment in the sun. Gad, spare us from these fools. The guy sitting over there with the secretservice men is the guy people came to see, idiot. WRAP IT UP.

Does the name Nikki Giovanni ring a bell? No? Well take a look at this and you'll remember. This is the gold standard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Qx9dIr-68

 

[SteveP]

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my thoughts. I did not like the screaming students - too much pep rally and not enough memorial service. I would have liked to see the president in black. Mrs. Obama also. the speech was ok. no Gettysburg address. Reagan, Bush, Clinton could all bring me to tears. Obama didn't do that. for me anyway.

The screaming students got the T-shirts to prove it.

This entire sorry episode - between the media malpractice, the Democrats' disgraceful lying, slandering and hijacking of the tragedy and their beneath-contempt exploitation for their own twisted political "ends," and now this - has reached level 16 double-plus-farce.

Now the attendees can brag at their respective frat parties about how they went to the memorial, basked in the light of President LincolnGhandiJesus and got the t-shirt.

Is this a campaign rally or a memorial?

 

[WeWantMore]

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Maybe I missed something...but I dont think anyone claimed Palin bore any responsibility.

Ha!

Daily Caller had a nice roundup. Michael Moore, Roger Ebert, Jane Fonda, Markos Moulitsas, to name a few.

Not included in the link but also guilty: Former Sen. Gary Hart, Paul Krugman, and on and on and on.

 

[state of hockey]

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ZOMFG! T-Shirts! We're doomed!

 

[Priceless]

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Ha!

Daily Caller had a nice roundup. Michael Moore, Roger Ebert, Jane Fonda, Markos Moulitsas, to name a few.

Not included in the link but also guilty: Former Sen. Gary Hart, Paul Krugman, and on and on and on.

They accused her of killing Christian children and drinking their blood? Ewwww.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Sure, she had the right. She had a right to fire off a few rounds, too. There is such a thing as tact. Or simple self-preservation.

I said full stop that the best move here- far and away- was to stay silent. "Blood libel" was a terribly silly choice of words. However, I still don't get the reaction from some that seems to border on "How dare she defend herself??!! Why doesn't she just let herself be slandered??!! Why?"

 

[Priceless]

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ZOMFG! T-Shirts! We're doomed!

Have they started calling the service "troubling" yet? I see the "pep rally" meme made the rounds.

 

[Priceless]

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I said full stop that the best move here- far and away- was to stay silent. "Blood libel" was a terribly silly choice of words. However, I still don't get the reaction from some that seems to border on "How dare she defend herself??!! Why doesn't she just let herself be slandered??!! Why?"

Why not let what she posted on Facebook on Saturday be her message? If she wanted to say that in a video, great. There is a slight middle ground between silence and invoking "blood libel."

 

[WeWantMore]

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Why not let what she posted on Facebook on Saturday be her message? If she wanted to say that in a video, great. There is a slight middle ground between silence and invoking "blood libel."

Heh. I don't know how many more times I have to say I agree with you here. Again, if it were me, or if I were one of her advisors, I'd have advised her to let it be. However, there's a distinction between taking issue with her use of blood libel (two words in a 1400 word statement) and taking issue with the premise of the video itself. Some seem to be veering towards the latter.

 

[SteveP]

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"Blood libel" was a terribly silly choice of words.

Others would disagree, including Mr. Dershowitz, who is not exactly a right-winger:

Jewish Americans for Sarah Palin defended Palin’s use of the term.

“Sarah Palin got it right,” said the group. “Falsely accusing someone of shedding blood is the definition of a blood libel.”

Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz similarly defended Palin from criticism over the use of the term.

“There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim” Dershowitz told BigGovernment.com.

“The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term.”

 

[state of hockey]

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Wait, people that like Sarah Palin defended Sarah Palin?

This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Others would disagree, including Mr. Dershowitz, who is not exactly a right-winger:

Hmm. I suppose that's my fault for not being clearer. Make no mistake, I'm not one of those people saying it's anti-Semitic or anything silly like that. My point is, from a pure political savvy point of view, Sarah Palin has to know that every.single.word of that statement is going to be pored over, and as such should select words that do not allow people to distract from the central message of such a statement by focusing on two little words. What would have been the harm in just saying "libel"?

 

[Old Pio]

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Others would disagree, including Mr. Dershowitz, who is not exactly a right-winger:

I'm surprised that you (of all people) are missing the point here. It's not the choice of words, it's the fact she said anything, at all, about anything. The Palin haters would criticize her defending or not defending herself ("what a weak duck she is, just rolling over while we slander her from here to Kingdom Come") and any choice of words for either proposition. Rest assured, the choice of the phrase "blood libel," was intentional, designed to appeal to her base.

The Palin haters have established a new low in political discourse in this country. "Birthers" and "truthers" are rightly rejected as nutbars, yet a very prominent writer can continually surmise about the "true" parentage of Palin's youngest child, and this is held up as great journalism. Her younger daughter can be made the butt of a vicious, pornographic joke by David Letterman and it's just another day at the office. A low rent "comedian," for whom I feel partly responsible since she went to my high school, can announce she intends to turn the full force of her second rate wit on this same child, and that's artistic freedom, or something. Some idiot writer can move in next door to Palin, evidently trolling for some tidbit to whet the appetites of the Palin haters, and nobody wonders if that's maybe going just a bit too far. And in the search for the "truth" the media have portrayed the high school drop out boyfriend as some sort of reliable "source." That kid will say or do anything for 10 bucks, that's why he spends most Saturday nights hanging around the Greyhound station.


The only time the media reported on Amy Carter or Chelsea Clinton was when their parents wanted it. Same is true for the Obama girls. And that's the way it should be. But when it comes to Palin, we're not in Kansas any more.

 

[Priceless]

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I'm surprised that you (of all people) are missing the point here. It's not the choice of words, it's the fact she said anything, at all, about anything. The Palin haters would criticize her defending or not defending herself ("what a weak duck she is, just rolling over while we slander her from here to Kingdom Come") and any choice of words for either proposition.

The Palin haters have established a new low in political discourse in this country. "Birthers" and "truthers" are rightly rejected as nutbars, yet a very prominent writer can continually surmise about the "true" parentage of Palin's youngest child, and this is held up as great journalism. Her younger daughter can be made the butt of a vicious, pornographic joke by David Letterman and it's just another day at the office. A low rent "comedian," for whom I feel partly responsible since she went to my high school, can announce she intends to turn the full force of her second rate wit on this same child, and that's artistic freedom, or something. Some idiot writer can move in next door to Palin, evidently trolling for some tidbit to whet the appatites of the Palin haters, and nobody wonders if that's maybe going just a bit too far. And in the search for the "truth" the media have tried to portray the high school drop out boyfriend as some sort of reliable "source." Not.


The only time the media reported on Amy Carter or Chelsea Clinton was when their parents wanted it. And that's the way it should be. But when it comes to Palin, we're not in Kansas any more.

What a load of garbage. I guess you missed the part about there being a slight difference between silence and blood libel. But whatever.

As for children being off limits...

On the June 10 edition of Fox News' Hannity, host Sean Hannity and conservative columnist Ann Coulter talked about David Letterman's references to Gov. Sarah Palin and her family, with Coulter claiming that "people didn't go after Chelsea Clinton." In fact, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying, "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

Then there is Limpballs calling her the White House dog. But I guess that doesn't count in "Oh poor me" land.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Ha!

Daily Caller had a nice roundup. Michael Moore, Roger Ebert, Jane Fonda, Markos Moulitsas, to name a few.

Not included in the link but also guilty: Former Sen. Gary Hart, Paul Krugman, and on and on and on.

Yep, missed that...I was out this last weekend. Guess there were some who called Palin directly responsible...and others who are linking a violent reference with real violence.

Edit: forgot the reason I came on! Good news. Giffords opened her eyes...

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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The Palin thing is overblown in every way.

Frankly, everything about her is overblown. Even people who think she's a cancerous loon *raises hand* need to realize that she's just one of the great many loons populating the national political media.

The other side of the token is that anyone who willfully puts themselves in the spotlight as much as she does (and she does it more so than almost anyone else not holding office these days) has to expect some overblown attention. Scandal and gossip over substance: it's just the way the media, and popular culture, work. That's not necessarily to say that she brings it upon herself, it's just that no one (including Palin) should be too surprised or shocked by it.