Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[Old Pio]

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Thanks for the link and that's inexcusable. But it is telling that you had to go back 4 years to find something.

Jeebus, you guys can rationalize anything! What's the statute of limitations? This guy isn't some dude on a talk show. He's a sitting senator, presidential nominee and spokesman for his party since he returned from 'Nam. This is the example we were talking about and it's the one i found. He's the most prominent not the most current. And somehow, it's not quite as bad as Palin because "it's too far in the past." Got it. These standards strike me as pretty flexible. Maybe somebody ought to write them out so we can all follow along.

Somehow if the situation was reversed and it was Obama who was dead and McCain who had said it four years earlier, I'm guessing you wouldn't be quite so forgiving. But that's the whole point of this exercise, isn't it? Criminalize opposition. Destroy. Pillage. Take any advantage, real or potential, to score a couple of political points.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Maybe you should change hands, I'm guessing your arm's getting a little tired flogging that disreputable pony. You guys should all be ashamed of yourselves, and this endless parsing about the meaning of the phrase is just another expression of your collective madness. As I and many others have said, all this stuff tells us more about you than it does Sarah Palin.

If words matter than the street runs both directions. Sarah has stated in her persecution complex video that words matter and that's good enough for me.

 

[Old Pio]

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If words matter than the street runs both directions. Sarah has stated in her persecution complex video that words matter and that's good enough for me.

Evidently. Except when they're uttered beyond the statute of imitations. Then they don't count. You guys can continue your joint tug jobs on this issue to your heart's content but Palin didn't say or imply anything about approving violence of any kind against anybody, especially Ms. Giffords. The facts that we know now (a very useful caveat in this case) indicate Loughner was enraged because the congressman failed or refused to answer some mindless question at a meet and greet three years ago. Long before Palin was on anybody's radar screen. He had apparantly been targeting Ms. Giffords (to one extent or another) ever since.

And this anti intellectual insistence that a map on her website "caused" or "influenced" Loughner (despite the fact that both the terminology and graphics are used by politicians of both parties almost constantly) is wishful thinking, mean spirited wishful thinking, posing as thinking.

And, since "words matter," I assume you'll join the call for NFL announcers to refrain from using the word "blitz" this weekend.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA

Oh, and here's a little snippet from a commercial aired by FORMER Phoenix congressman Harry Mitchell. It's beyond the statue of limitations, of course, and doesn't present any likelihood of political advantage for democrats and other lefties. But it does argue against the ridiculous assertions that use of cross hairs or targets (by Republicans, of course) is somehow uniquely evil or unprecedented.

 

[trucker]

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Jeebus, you guys can rationalize anything! What's the statute of limitations? This guy isn't some dude on a talk show. He's a sitting senator, presidential nominee and spokesman for his party since he returned from 'Nam. This is the example we were talking about and it's the one i found. He's the most prominent not the most current. And somehow, it's not quite as bad as Palin because "it's too far in the past." Got it. These standards strike me as pretty flexible. Maybe somebody ought to write them out so we can all follow along.

Somehow if the situation was reversed and it was Obama who was dead and McCain who had said it four years earlier, I'm guessing you wouldn't be quite so forgiving. But that's the whole point of this exercise, isn't it? Criminalize opposition. Destroy. Pillage. Take any advantage, real or potential, to score a couple of political points.

Do you not understand the word "inexcuseable"? I bring up the time frame only to show that these comments are not as common on the left as they are on the right.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html

And if what situation was reversed? You went off the ranch with that paragraph.

 

[Old Pio]

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Do you not understand the word "inexcuseable"? I bring up the time frame only to show that these comments are not as common on the left as they are on the right.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/01/lets-get-this-straight.html

And if what situation was reversed? You went off the ranch with that paragraph.

Correct me if I'm wrong, you said "inexcusable,""but." There's always a but.

"Not as common on the left as the right?" Really? Proof? (And your prejudices don't count).

Somebody posted her before and I had three responses: She's the all time rationalizer so far on this thread. Most of the people on the right she criticizes are prominent because ordinary Americans have made them so. Perhaps Obama could make her the "taste czar" so we could have a little common sense in our popular culture. And she's ugly enough to make a freight train take a dirt road.

I believe I said I would hope not to take cheap partisan advantage of the death of a president. I also said I couldn't be sure, because it was a hypothetical. But whether I would or wouldn't doesn't exonorate the many who have manifestly tried to score political brownie points here, even before the bodies were removed from in front of the Safeway.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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At this point I think it matters that Palin is upset over words. And that's what she is saying in her video. I also thinks it matters that she doesn't think anyone should have been upset at any time about anything that she has ever said.

That's what I'm going to take from this discussion. That and how none of the above have anything to do with this tragic event.

 

[Old Pio]

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At this point I think it matters that Palin is upset over words. And that's what she is saying in her video. I also thinks it matters that she doesn't think anyone should have been upset at any time about anything that she has ever said.

That's what I'm going to take from this discussion. That and how none of the above have anything to do with this tragic event.

She's upset about being accused of "responsibility" for a horrendous crime. I'm pretty sure it would chap your a*s too. Maybe you'd just whip out a Pete Seeger CD and whine out a chorus of Kumbayah, but I doubt it.

I don't think the word "upset" accurately describes Loughner. Let's put it to a vote.

And I'm still waiting for your or any other Palin hater to establish empirically that anything she ever said or did was part of this event (apart, of course, from your monomaniacal desire to damage her politically).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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She's upset about being accused of "responsibility" for a horrendous crime. I'm pretty sure it would chap you a*s too. Maybe you'd just whip out a Pete Seeger CD and whine out a chorus of Kumbayah, but I doubt it.

I don't think the word "upset" accurately describes Loughner. Let's put it to a vote.

And I'm still waiting for your or any other Palin hater to establish empirically that anything she ever said or did was part of this event (apart, of course, from your monomaniacal desire to damage her politically).

Accusations are just words.

I said below that none of this has anything to do with anything.

 

[Old Pio]

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Accusations are just words.

I said below that none of this has anything to do with anything.

You can't possibly believe that. Tell it to the folks who worked at the McMartin day care center. Just words, no big deal. Not all words, and the context in which they are used, are created equal, or is that really the basis of your "thinking?"

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You can't possibly believe that. Tell it to the folks who worked at the McMartin day care center. Just words, no big deal. Not all words, and the context in which they are used, are created equal, or is that really the basis of your "thinking?"

Good Lord.

Context works both ways. Rush and Sarah are acting like crybabies over this and it shows.

Or, as someone else just put it, of all the things she could have focused on she decided to focus on herself.

 

[WeWantMore]

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I'm on record as saying far and away the best move would have been no statement at all, and thinking the statement she did make was not well thought out to say the least. But do you really think she had no right to defend herself here?

 

[Priceless]

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I'm on record as saying far and away the best move would have been no statement at all, and thinking the statement she did make was not well thought out to say the least. But do you really think she had no right to defend herself here?

Sure, she had the right. She had a right to fire off a few rounds, too. There is such a thing as tact. Or simple self-preservation.

@SarahPalinUSA Helen, Helen, Helen... unimaginable misunderstandng of Jewish history...& unconscionable indecency.Press corps colleagues calling u on this?

Ironic.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm on record as saying far and away the best move would have been no statement at all, and thinking the statement she did make was not well thought out to say the least. But do you really think she had no right to defend herself here?

There was a tidal wave of speculation and accusation that somehow, Palin bore some responsibility for a horrific crime that took the live of a 9 year old, among others, and grievously wounded a representative who now faces the possibility of a lifetime of struggles to overcome her wound. And in Scoobyworld you don't do anything about it. Just say: "Please sir, may I have another." Well this ain't Animal House and she ain't Kevin Bacon. These allegations are political pornography and she needs to thread the needle here by showing some outrage without seeming to be whining (because a 9 year old was shot down in broad daylight, and THAT's the story.) Naturally, in Scoobyland, any effort to defend herself would fail the test. Time will tell what it accomplished in the real world.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm on record as saying far and away the best move would have been no statement at all, and thinking the statement she did make was not well thought out to say the least. But do you really think she had no right to defend herself here?

Of course not. She's Sarah Palin. Next.

 

[5mn_Major]

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There was a tidal wave of speculation and accusation that somehow, Palin bore some responsibility for a horrific crime

Maybe I missed something...but I dont think anyone claimed Palin bore any responsibility.

Its just doing what she did inferring violence is in general in bad taste...and of all the conservative commentators who could have said something in bad taste, she's the one who got bit for it. Fox News called MJackson Jacko until the moment he died. Similar situation, only character assassination not violence in that one.

I have no prob with her walzing through this one unscathed...she is utterly unelectable anyways.

 

[Priceless]

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The new meme from the right: Obama is turning this memorial service into a "pep rally" to kick off his 2012 re-election bid.

I guess Clinton did that after OKC...Bush after the WTC...
I'm sure the right would complain about FDR's verbal attack on the Japanese.

 

[state of hockey]

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The new meme from the right: Obama is turning this memorial service into a "pep rally" to kick off his 2012 re-election bid.

I guess Clinton did that after OKC...Bush after the WTC...
I'm sure the right would complain about FDR's verbal attack on the Japanese.

It backfired on Mondale and the Minnesota DFL, and how.

 

[SteveP]

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Maybe I missed something...but I dont think anyone claimed Palin bore any responsibility.

Hello? Let's see...there's this for starters

We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.

...oh, and this arseclown checked in just hours after the shootings

“If Sarah Palin … does not repudiate her own part, however tangential, in amplifying violence and violent imagery in American politics, she must be dismissed from politics, she must be repudiated by the members of her party,” MSNBC’s liberal commentator Keith Olbermann said Saturday on a special edition of his program, who went on to target comments by Fox News’ Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly.

And of course, the truly loony left led it all off

The Palin criticism started shortly after the shooting, when liberal blogger and Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas fired off a series of tweets citing the Palin website that targeted Giffords’ health reform vote.

“Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin,” Kos tweeted of the website soon after word of the shooting broke.

“How dare people ‘politicize’ a political assassination!” Moulitsas said in another tweet, which came just as most news outlets were pulling back initial reports that Giffords had died, correcting them to say instead that she was badly wounded and in surgery.

Need I continue?

Oops, indeed I must. Four days after the shootings and areseclown #2 is still tying her to Laughner:

"We can assume innocence in terms of Palin's role or anything Glenn Beck, or anybody else, but you can't exonerate them until we know the truth here."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It backfired on Mondale and the Minnesota DFL, and how.

It sure did.