Antiwork 2: No One Is Getting A Pay Raise

[St. Clown]

I would say that you don’t inherently need to look for a job pertaining to your degree. A very solid manager to whom I reported had a bachelors in psychology, and he’s an operations director at a big bank now. An analyst who reports to him got a BFA in music, and he’s one of the best ops analysts I’ve worked with.

If you learned critical thinking skills, you can apply those to a host of other fields, if you’re willing to do that work. I tell my nephews and niece all the time that the don’t have to worry too much about the exact field of their major, unless they want something highly specialized, like engineering. It’s more about learning how to think through a situation and become practiced at applying logic.

 

[Scarlet]

For the past month, I've had very little to do at work. Which I'm not really complaining about - a lot of my busy times kick in later in the year. I'm not a strategist, I'm an implementer. There's a lot of strategy work going on now. My manager and two of my teammates are out straight. I feel a little guilty that I have literally nothing to do. Yesterday in our team huddle my manager tells us she got the go-ahead to bring on another person on our team. This person will be at the grade level I'm at. Once again, others on my team were aware this was going to happen, I was not.

Today, my manager posts in our department Teams channel about the position and also a short term assignment for a program I've worked on in the past. She neve mentioned that. At least not to me. Part of me is getting a little worried. I just don't see there being enough work to keep us all busy. Unless she is planning for a sh*t ton of work headed our way. Not sure what to make about all of this.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I would say that you don’t inherently need to look for a job pertaining to your degree. A very solid manager to whom I reported had a bachelors in psychology, and he’s an operations director at a big bank now. An analyst who reports to him got a BFA in music, and he’s one of the best ops analysts I’ve worked with.

If you learned critical thinking skills, you can apply those to a host of other fields, if you’re willing to do that work. I tell my nephews and niece all the time that the don’t have to worry too much about the exact field of their major, unless they want something highly specialized, like engineering. It’s more about learning how to think through a situation and become practiced at applying logic.

Exactly. I had a liberal arts degree (social sciences) and I went to a big four straight from undergrad. Degree didn’t really matter

Then I was dumb enough to get a masters and now it seems like a a big anti education environment

Doctors and scientists laid off by the Hitler youth are being suggested to take $10/hr jobs training ai. Beyond insulting

 

[French Rage]

Massive Slack outage today. I guess we can always default to Teams while they fix it. And live in a mud hut and eat twigs and berries.

 

[MichVandal]

For the past month, I've had very little to do at work. Which I'm not really complaining about - a lot of my busy times kick in later in the year. I'm not a strategist, I'm an implementer. There's a lot of strategy work going on now. My manager and two of my teammates are out straight. I feel a little guilty that I have literally nothing to do. Yesterday in our team huddle my manager tells us she got the go-ahead to bring on another person on our team. This person will be at the grade level I'm at. Once again, others on my team were aware this was going to happen, I was not.

Today, my manager posts in our department Teams channel about the position and also a short term assignment for a program I've worked on in the past. She neve mentioned that. At least not to me. Part of me is getting a little worried. I just don't see there being enough work to keep us all busy. Unless she is planning for a sh*t ton of work headed our way. Not sure what to make about all of this.

Just remember that you have the upper hand if they try to fire you for lack of performance. They have to document that it's a chronic thing as opposed to just making it up. You will have the upper hand getting the last years of salary plus full retirement if they let you go.

But I hope that's not the case.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Massive Slack outage today. I guess we can always default to Teams while they fix it. And live in a mud hut and eat twigs and berries.

Every time I use slack I hate it more.

 

[Kepler]

Think your job sucks?

 

[Jimjamesak]

Had a member of management at my work get upset with me because I told him, flat out, "I don't trust you."

Not like it was personal, every member of management at my work is untrustworthy.

TBF, I could've gone full unprofessional behavior and called them all the assholes they really are.

 

[Slap Shot]

I am getting closer to being able to work 100% remotely including being able to move to Thailand full time, with the expectation if/when it happens I would visit 3-4 times per year.

 

[psych]

unofan, if you read this thread (or any other lawyer who lurks on here), I know you won't know the intricacies of Kentucky law, much less employment law, but I have a question nonetheless: Can my PRN employer require me to attend a "mandatory" training during my regular full-time job business hours? Monday, my PRN job sent out a message saying "mandatory suicide prevention training for all staff offered at 7a, 1p, and 3p. must attend". I work M-F 8a-5p. AI overview on google said "yes, generally PRN employers can generally require you to attend trainings during your regular job's hours." Then it offered some compromises, like working with the PRN employer to attend a training outside of regular hours, flexibility, yadda yadda yadda. Well, while I love the job itself (used to be there FT), the administrators are truly awful people. The CNO is a see-you-next-Tuesday, the CEO loves her and is a lazy ass motherfucker, and I have texted multiple times about being willing to attend trainings on any evening during the week or any weekend, but the responses I get (or don't even get a response) have said they won't compromise with me. So, no flexibility, no compromise. I texted my CNO today to say I couldn't attend due to the hours and asked if they could offer a training outside of the trainings they offered. She said "no, and other PRN people managed to work around their FT jobs to attend. Are you saying you're unable to attend mandatory trainings going forward?" Haven't responded because I know she is trying to fire me. Hate this woman. Anyways, my PRN employer is based out of PA, and it's a nationwide company, so I'm not sure if that changes anything. And I plan to contact the corporate office and get a definitive answer...so this is more of a bitch-fest, I guess. *sigh*

 

[dxmnkd316]

Are you exempt or non-exempt?

 

[psych]

Non-exempt.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I misread. I thought you were being told to come in outside of work hours.

Yeah I'm not sure you're going to find any law that says you can't be compelled to attend training during the day.

As long as you're paid for all your time worked as NE, I don't think you have a choice here.

 

[psych]

Fair. So about how this: I texted her back today and said I have asked to be accommodated and that I’m willing to work outside of business hours, etc., and she said what I thought, which is she needs to hear if I’m unable to meet the requirements. I haven’t responded, but if I know of another PRN nurse who didn’t attend one of these trainings but wasn’t asked the same question (“Are you unable to meet the requirements?”), would I be able to successfully argue I’m being unfairly targeted? I fucking know I am already, but I don’t have “definitive proof.”

 

[unofan]

Maybe, but being targeted or treated unfairly isn't inherently illegal unless it's based on a protected class, violates a contract, or otherwise falls under an exception to the standard at-will employment scheme in this country.

Doesn't make it right, but it does mean you likely don't have much recourse.

Any chance you could just do the 7 am training and go to your normal job an hour or two late? Not ideal, but probably the best solution if you want to continue your PRN employment.

 

[psych]

Thank you for your feedback dx and uno. I was able to work out a deal with my FT job and my PRN job to keep the PRN job (for now) by attending a training next week and making it up at my FT job. What’s funny was after I posted all of that, I got a call from the HR manager at the PRN job and told that if I didn’t let him know by TODAY about attending trainings that are scheduled for next week (which I didn’t know about- the only message I received from work was about trainings THIS week- a PRN nurse I know texted me about next week’s trainings- my CNO never told me about next week’s trainings during my conversations with her), I would be terminated today. I said “So you’re telling me that if my FT job didn’t respond back to my request in the affirmative, for taking time off next Thursday morning, until tomorrow morning, you would still terminate me today?” He said “Yes that’s correct.” How the fuck is that possible? It’s irrelevant now, but still…

 

[RaceBoarder]

Thank you for your feedback dx and uno. I was able to work out a deal with my FT job and my PRN job to keep the PRN job (for now) by attending a training next week and making it up at my FT job. What’s funny was after I posted all of that, I got a call from the HR manager at the PRN job and told that if I didn’t let him know by TODAY about attending trainings that are scheduled for next week (which I didn’t know about- the only message I received from work was about trainings THIS week- a PRN nurse I know texted me about next week’s trainings- my CNO never told me about next week’s trainings during my conversations with her), I would be terminated today. I said “So you’re telling me that if my FT job didn’t respond back to my request in the affirmative, for taking time off next Thursday morning, until tomorrow morning, you would still terminate me today?” He said “Yes that’s correct.” How the fuck is that possible? It’s irrelevant now, but still…

You're not alone in having to juggle multiple jobs like this.

Unfortunately there really isn't much recourse. Company A only cares what you do for Company A. Company B only cares what you do for Company B. Their concerns don't extend beyond the front door unfortunately.

It's become a running joke how 24/7 availability has become so "essential" in hiring decisions nowadays.

 

[psych]

You're not alone in having to juggle multiple jobs like this.

Unfortunately there really isn't much recourse. Company A only cares what you do for Company A. Company B only cares what you do for Company B. Their concerns don't extend beyond the front door unfortunately.

It's become a running joke how 24/7 availability has become so "essential" in hiring decisions nowadays.

For sure. Sorry I didn’t mean to imply I was the only one experiencing this situation. At the end of the day, I was griping about a first-world (if we still qualify) problem. I know others have it worse than me.

 

[RaceBoarder]

For sure. Sorry I didn’t mean to imply I was the only one experiencing this situation. At the end of the day, I was griping about a first-world (if we still qualify) problem. I know others have it worse than me.

I feel for you.... I've been balancing multiple jobs my entire adult life and no one wants to Acknowlege how much a pain in the dick it can be. Especially since many places of employment have lost all empathy and offer little flexibility (no stuff like "Hey, I have to do something. Can I start an hour early or can I leave an hour early and work an extra hour on Tuesday?" sort of things).

In retail, I had to deal with so much of this. You needed open availability and management was aghast when you had a life outside of work. The expectation is that you live to work instead of work to live.

 

[MissThundercat]

Yesterday at work:

A member asks if I can run the massage chair again.

I'm thinking "you can set the building on fire with me in it."