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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

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Drew S. said:
I think pretty much everyone would like to see fewer people die from guns. I’m pretty upset over what happened, and from what I heard on CNN it sounds like the shooter was treated like **** with a not unexpected outcome.

At some point you would hope our country would really try to attack ‘deaths of despair.’ If you look at the stats over the last 20 years they are truly shocking. To be fair I think Biden and the Dems do want to make things better but we have a long way to go.

As far as gun only solutions, I’d love to see a waiting period and maybe some sort of education requirement and/or mental health screening when you buy a gun. Gun laws sadly won’t fix the main issue that we’re a divided country with unbelievable inequity.
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Why not just try a total gun ban? Say, 20 years, no private ownership of guns permitted. Let's see what happens. We can always go back.
 
Drew S. said:
I think pretty much everyone would like to see fewer people die from guns. I’m pretty upset over what happened, and from what I heard on CNN it sounds like the shooter was treated like **** with a not unexpected outcome.

At some point you would hope our country would really try to attack ‘deaths of despair.’ If you look at the stats over the last 20 years they are truly shocking. To be fair I think Biden and the Dems do want to make things better but we have a long way to go.

As far as gun only solutions, I’d love to see a waiting period and maybe some sort of education requirement and/or mental health screening when you buy a gun. Gun laws sadly won’t fix the main issue that we’re a divided country with unbelievable inequity.
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Gun laws won’t fix inequality, but they’ll help ameliorate the number of gun deaths we suffer every year, including suicides. Other developed countries in the world have figured out how to let people have guns without the ridiculously high levels of gun violence we have here. None of them have nearly as many guns per capita as we have here, but they still have stricter national laws. Your ideas are a good start. I don’t doubt there are responsible gun owners out there who want stricter requirements as well. It really could be bipartisan, if one party allowed it to be.
 
psych said:
Okay, Obama.
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Obama asked for a slight tweak to gun laws so that nutty-nuts couldn't get them, which 95% of gun owners supported, and the GOP lynched him.

I'm trying to wipe the scourge out once and for all.

Maybe we actually should fight CW2 over this. Granted there will be loss of life but imagine being the kind of loser who would put your spouse and kids at risk for your replacement dick. When the sh-t actually comes down, how many of those cowards are actually gonna fight? Maybe one million, tops. The one million people we could most do without, moving forward.
 
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Background checks, mental health checks, etc. are barely even half-measures. Most mass shooters have proven to be law-abiding until the moment they fire into their target crowd. Simply trafficking in wacky political views and conspiracies isn't sufficient grounds to declare someone mentally ill and take away their gun rights.

The only serious solution is to stiffen gun laws and the penalties for breaking them in a manner that is going to send a lot of middle aged, undersexed white men to prison for many years to actually live out their wild-eyed fantasies of being freedumb fightin' political prisoners of the far left. When lazy mfers start serving 10 or 15 years in the slammer for shootings their kids commit with their unlocked firearms, then maybe you'll start to see rubes get the message and take gun safety more seriously. When Cleetus is hauled off to federal PMITA prison as a co-conspirator for selling an assault rifle to Bubba who turned around and used it to shoot up a crowd, maybe these fcktards will finally get the message.
 
We can at least start by putting the same registration requirements as voting does. Including refreshing your gun registration on a regular basis, just like voting. Why having a gun has less requirements than voting does makes no sense at all.
 
MichVandal said:
We can at least start by putting the same registration requirements as voting does. Including refreshing your gun registration on a regular basis, just like voting. Why having a gun has less requirements than voting does makes no sense at all.
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It’s disgusting, and it’s the United States. I personally want strict laws on gun possession. Responsible gun owners will still get to keep their guns that way. I don’t personally own a gun and never will, but I’m not going to tell others they can’t. Joe Manchin doesn’t think background checks are necessarily important “when I know the person”, so when half-measures can hardly be agreed upon at this point, we’re (still) fucked. Clearly, there millions of people who would permanently give up their right to vote to keep when even one gun. Hmmm...let’s make that into law.
 
psych said:
It’s disgusting, and it’s the United States. I personally want strict laws on gun possession. Responsible gun owners will still get to keep their guns that way. I don’t personally own a gun and never will, but I’m not going to tell others they can’t. Joe Manchin doesn’t think background checks are necessarily important “when I know the person”, so when half-measures can hardly be agreed upon at this point, we’re (still) fucked. Clearly, there millions of people who would permanently give up their right to vote to keep when even one gun. Hmmm...let’s make that into law.
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No background checks for guns, but government ID and regular registration purging for voting.

Yea, that's balanced for a democracy.
 
I'll concede the refresher on gun registration.

With this, include constant "inventory" documentation and have stiff penalties for lost or stolen items (if not properly documented/secured). As others have said, I am willing to bring penalties down on people 2-3 "links" away in the chain if the documentation is sloppy.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Background checks, mental health checks, etc. are barely even half-measures. Most mass shooters have proven to be law-abiding until the moment they fire into their target crowd. Simply trafficking in wacky political views and conspiracies isn't sufficient grounds to declare someone mentally ill and take away their gun rights.

The only serious solution is to stiffen gun laws and the penalties for breaking them in a manner that is going to send a lot of middle aged, undersexed white men to prison for many years to actually live out their wild-eyed fantasies of being freedumb fightin' political prisoners of the far left. When lazy mfers start serving 10 or 15 years in the slammer for shootings their kids commit with their unlocked firearms, then maybe you'll start to see rubes get the message and take gun safety more seriously. When Cleetus is hauled off to federal PMITA prison as a co-conspirator for selling an assault rifle to Bubba who turned around and used it to shoot up a crowd, maybe these fcktards will finally get the message.
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So...... treat those who break existing gun laws like how they have treated those who break marijuana laws? I'm on board...
 
MichVandal said:
No background checks for guns, but government ID and regular registration purging for voting.

Yea, that's balanced for a democracy.
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As one lawmakers succinctly put it yesterday: "Why is it easier to own and maintain a gun than it is to vote? Isn't that backwards?"
 
So when Trump had both houses of congress (until he lost each), he definitely successfully got immigration reform through. And a replacement for the ACA. And a new wall on our southern border.


Oh, wait, he didn't get any of that done? Like, none, even though he had the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate?


Sorry again, the replacement ACA is merely two weeks away. Just like the evidence of massive voter fraud. And Creepy Pillow Guy's new social media platform.
 
RaceBoarder said:
I'll concede the refresher on gun registration.

With this, include constant "inventory" documentation and have stiff penalties for lost or stolen items (if not properly documented/secured). As others have said, I am willing to bring penalties down on people 2-3 "links" away in the chain if the documentation is sloppy.
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Anecdote alert: when I worked at a different company, we were bringing over a bunch of British engineers from a partner company. Most of them could come over on a "tourist" (non-)visa and start working right away while the paperwork for their proper work visas went through the system. But not the one assigned to my team. He had to sit at home in the UK until his actual visa came through. Why? Because he had a firearm conviction on his record. His offense: he had a 1700's-era musket over his mantel that had been in his family for generations. It hadn't been fired in, probably literally, more than a century. When he redecorated his house, it didn't really go with the new decor, so he gave it to a friend of his. That friend got into a scrape with police (drugs, IIRC), so when they canvassed his house and asked where he got the gun, he fingered my friend, and so my engineer friend was convicted of transferring ownership of a firearm without proper documentation.

*That* is how gun laws should work.
 
I think any solution needs to rely heavily on being used at point of sale. Some sort of paper solution after the fact I doubt would be very effective and would be a nightmare to enforce. The one exception is there should be a good ‘red flag’ type process where people get the help they need and their rights are still upheld.
 
Kepler said:
Why not?

The moderate voice, 1855: "I don’t personally own a slave and never will, but I’m not going to tell others they can’t."
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Slavery versus guns. One is an actual object, perception of it being a pen-s for some or not, and the other deals with human beings, even if plenty still think they are lesser than. A gun doesn’t care if it’s free or not, or has restrictions placed on it or not. One is never tolerable, the other can be tolerable, based under a specific set of circumstances that the person has to jump through a million loopholes in order to get to in the first place. Harm reduction.
For what it’s worth, if these people are as ignorant and stupid as you claim them to believe, and, in your mind, they don’t care about the 500,000+ and counting covid deaths, what makes you think they’ll be submitted by 1,000,000 deaths in your proposed CW2? They may not even notice it happened, until Fox News picks up on it.
 
"A gun will never get an abortion or vote for a Democrat, so why should we regulate it?" -- Modern GOP...
 
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