Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

[Handyman]

Guns are stupid. I would rather they didn't exist. I don't care about trap shooting or hunting so I don't see a need for them. That is just me though.

 

[MichVandal]

Not very persuasive when you make loaded comments like that.

No, I don't own any guns.

I have not heard anyone being sad. Most of them tell us that we should not be talking gun control.

At some point, gun people need to see that public opinion is getting tired of mass shootings. And there's a growing number of people who think repealing the 2nd Amendment is a good idea. As long as gun supporters don't come up with any ideas, more and more are going to head that direction.

I grew up with guns, too. And I'm a really good shot. I really don't want to see guns being banned. But to ignore the trend of public opinion, and provide zero ideas to prevent mass shootings- yea, I don't see that as a way to preserve guns much longer. People actually understand that the 2nd is more about trying to avoid a standing army than it is to overthrow a government. Otherwise, voting would not exist.

So propose some ideas that will restrict gun access if you want to keep hunting.

I'm fine if we just go with universal registration of all guns, and regular re-certification- just like the Constitutional right to vote. But I have a lot more extreme ideas if gun owners continue to refuse to engage for childish reasons like people using the wrong words. Talk about an odd way at looking at anti-gun people- they are not serious because they don't use the right specific words. Like people dying is not enough to engage- you have to use the exact right technical terms to get anyone to talk. Give me a break.

 

[jerphisch]

Be a real man and hunt like they did before guns. You want to kill something, work for it.

 

[Kepler]

Counterpoint.

 

[SJHovey]

It bugs me that the hunters who own 1-3 firearms do nothing in the face of these mass shootings. Nothing, nada, sit back and have a beer, not even sympathy for the dead.

Propose something that will actually prevent mass shootings. Then you won't be labeled as evil.

Just like all of those "good cops" we keep hearing about- where are all of the "good gun owners"??? If you are not going to come to the table, then why should I care about your opinion? Or is this just like dumpy's ACA replacement or infrastructure week?

This post is complete BS. My guess is that most responsible gun owners, if not all of them, are just as saddened and disgusted by events like that in Boulder as anyone else.

What makes your post BS is the word "something." Here, I have an idea. Why don't you tell me exactly what the "something" is that you suggest we propose, to prevent mass shootings?

Sure, we can propose to ban assault weapons. Oh wait, we did that, didn't we? Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings.

We passed the Brady bill. Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings. We can stretch out the waiting period. That's fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

We can have more background checks. Again, fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

There is one thing, and one thing alone that will "prevent mass shootings." A complete ban on guns. No more gun sales. All guns currently in private possession confiscated. Doesn't matter if you are one of the dozen or two people who are likely to commit mass shootings in the coming years, or the millions of law abiding gun owners who aren't.

You want that "something" proposed, and you think you can get it passed, be my guest. The millions of law abiding gun owners aren't going to do it for you.

 

[LynahFan]

This post is complete BS. My guess is that most responsible gun owners, if not all of them, are just as saddened and disgusted by events like that in Boulder as anyone else.

What makes your post BS is the word "something." Here, I have an idea. Why don't you tell me exactly what the "something" is that you suggest we propose, to prevent mass shootings?

Sure, we can propose to ban assault weapons. Oh wait, we did that, didn't we? Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings.

We passed the Brady bill. Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings. We can stretch out the waiting period. That's fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

We can have more background checks. Again, fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

There is one thing, and one thing alone that will "prevent mass shootings." A complete ban on guns. No more gun sales. All guns currently in private possession confiscated. Doesn't matter if you are one of the dozen or two people who are likely to commit mass shootings in the coming years, or the millions of law abiding gun owners who aren't.

You want that "something" proposed, and you think you can get it passed, be my guest. The millions of law abiding gun owners aren't going to do it for you.

How about "something" simpler - like canceling their NRA memberships?

 

[MichVandal]

This post is complete BS. My guess is that most responsible gun owners, if not all of them, are just as saddened and disgusted by events like that in Boulder as anyone else.

What makes your post BS is the word "something." Here, I have an idea. Why don't you tell me exactly what the "something" is that you suggest we propose, to prevent mass shootings?

Sure, we can propose to ban assault weapons. Oh wait, we did that, didn't we? Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings.

We passed the Brady bill. Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings. We can stretch out the waiting period. That's fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

We can have more background checks. Again, fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

There is one thing, and one thing alone that will "prevent mass shootings." A complete ban on guns. No more gun sales. All guns currently in private possession confiscated. Doesn't matter if you are one of the dozen or two people who are likely to commit mass shootings in the coming years, or the millions of law abiding gun owners who aren't.

You want that "something" proposed, and you think you can get it passed, be my guest. The millions of law abiding gun owners aren't going to do it for you.

What do you mean that I come up with something? Are you mad, or just can't read?

I have proposed ideas that will both limit and slow the amount of rounds that a person can fire- limit whatever magazine that exist to 6 rounds, and mechanically limit the firing rate. I'd add something to that, too- a non replaceable magazine, which means you need to stop firing, and reload each new round when you run out. That would limit the fast rounds off by how many guns a person can carry at once.

I have proposed this action every single time there has been a mass shooting. It won't prevent shootings, sure, but it will limit the number of rounds fired, which will then reduce the number of people who are exposed to fire. That's at least an improvement. And it's more applicable to a real reduction than the Brady bill/ assault weapons ban- which had massive loopholes.

I would accept applying the same rules that we have to vote to gun ownership, too- universal registration along with periodic updates.

You have proposed zero ideas at all, non, nada. Other than the BS idea of banning guns, and it's pretty obvious that you don't actually mean that.

Come on, at least attempt to come up with ideas that will lower the death count.

People are dying, and I don't see any gun person taking it seriously. Especially when you post such dismissive posts like that.

Instead of being dismissive of every idea, come up with some original ones. Maybe we can make progress that way.

Again, the way things are progressing, it's more likely that the Second Amendment will be repealed before gun people come to the table with ideas. I doubt you want that.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Sure, we can propose to ban assault weapons. Oh wait, we did that, didn't we? Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings.

Akshully.... It kinda did.

 

[psych]

This post is complete BS. My guess is that most responsible gun owners, if not all of them, are just as saddened and disgusted by events like that in Boulder as anyone else.

What makes your post BS is the word "something." Here, I have an idea. Why don't you tell me exactly what the "something" is that you suggest we propose, to prevent mass shootings?

Sure, we can propose to ban assault weapons. Oh wait, we did that, didn't we? Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings.

We passed the Brady bill. Didn't seem to prevent mass shootings. We can stretch out the waiting period. That's fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

We can have more background checks. Again, fine with me. Won't prevent mass shootings though.

There is one thing, and one thing alone that will "prevent mass shootings." A complete ban on guns. No more gun sales. All guns currently in private possession confiscated. Doesn't matter if you are one of the dozen or two people who are likely to commit mass shootings in the coming years, or the millions of law abiding gun owners who aren't.

You want that "something" proposed, and you think you can get it passed, be my guest. The millions of law abiding gun owners aren't going to do it for you.

Who the hell thinks we’re going to completely eliminate mass shootings? And, other than Kepler, who on here is proposing banning all guns? Of course that’s not going to work. Harm reduction. Obviously- no- fucking obviously, we can close the gap from the levels of gun violence we have here towards the mean of at least developed countries through ways other than confiscating all guns. Plenty of ideas already proposed on here that would reduce- certainly not eliminate- gun violence. The vast majority of guns deaths are suicides, not homicides, and certainly not mass shootings.

 

[Kepler]

Please do not spread the derp. The derp is not posting on good faith.

 

[SJHovey]

How about "something" simpler - like canceling their NRA memberships?

Hey, I'm fine with that. Never belonged to the NRA. Never saw a need or a purpose for the group.

 

[SJHovey]

Akshully.... It kinda did.

No actually it didn't.

The 67th time we had this same discussion on this board, about four years ago, I linked to multiple studies that were done following the assault weapons ban, and they concluded that as far as they could determine there was no recognizable effect.

The reason for that should be obvious. You could literally ban the manufacture and sale of all guns right now and we would still have enough guns floating around this country to have mass shootings until all of us have been gone for a hundred years.

 

[Drew S.]

Arrest Hunter Biden now!!!!!!! https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...ens-gun-477879

 

[SJHovey]

Who the hell thinks we’re going to completely eliminate mass shootings? And, other than Kepler, who on here is proposing banning all guns? Of course that’s not going to work. Harm reduction. Obviously- no- fucking obviously, we can close the gap from the levels of gun violence we have here towards the mean of at least developed countries through ways other than confiscating all guns. Plenty of ideas already proposed on here that would reduce- certainly not eliminate- gun violence. The vast majority of guns deaths are suicides, not homicides, and certainly not mass shootings.

That's fine, then pass them. If you can't get them through Congress, get them through state houses that you control, or have Biden do an executive action.

See, I don't oppose most of those things you guys have posted about. I'm completely fine with registration. I'm completely fine with waiting periods. Background checks, no objection here. Heck, I don't even care if you ban assault rifles. Anyone who knows anything about guns, or uses them for lawful purposes, knows that assault rifles (as a product) are a piece of junk and worthless in the field.

But, what I have also told you repeatedly is this. Don't just whine about it, do something about it. Pass the legislation.

And I've also told you this. Don't be surprised when after you've passed the legislation and you're done patting yourself on the back about making us all safer from mass shootings that you hear about another.....mass shooting. Because as I have posted repeatedly, you're really not going to solve the problem (and no, I don't mean a complete elimination of mass shootings as "solving the problem.")

 

[Handyman]

Counterpoint.

The problem with the Onion is, their headlines are too believable.

 

[Handyman]

There is no way an EO for gun control legislation would hold up. The courts would overrule him when challenged. Just stop.

Your concern is noted though.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Just pass legislation....it's that easy.
why didn't we think of that...

 

[dxmnkd316]

No actually it didn't.

The 67th time we had this same discussion on this board, about four years ago, I linked to multiple studies that were done following the assault weapons ban, and they concluded that as far as they could determine there was no recognizable effect.

The reason for that should be obvious. You could literally ban the manufacture and sale of all guns right now and we would still have enough guns floating around this country to have mass shootings until all of us have been gone for a hundred years.

https://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/14/did-the-federal-ban-on-assault-weapons-matter/

Also:

 

[SJHovey]

There is no way an EO for gun control legislation would hold up. The courts would overrule him when challenged. Just stop.

Your concern is noted though.

Why can't they do something else? For instance, why not do what they've done to cigarettes. Tax the heck out of ammunition. No, they haven't completely eliminated cigarettes, but you can't tell me that such a tax has had no effect.

 

[Handyman]

Why can't they do something else? For instance, why not do what they've done to cigarettes. Tax the heck out of ammunition. No, they haven't completely eliminated cigarettes, but you can't tell me that such a tax has had no effect.

I mean a state could choose to do that but Biden can't and it would never come close to passing Congress.

And do you really think the gun fellators will stop buying if it costs more? You would have to go the Chris Rock theory of "$1000 bullets" to make it work. And you will create a huge black market...

And what do you do about the hunters?