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An 'Honest" Conversation About Race? Just Give Me My Coffee!

FreshFish

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I don't frequent Starbucks.

If I did, I wonder how many baristas would be ready with an answer to the question, "isn't it true that the blacks who were purchased as slaves by the slave-traders were sold into slavery by other blacks as an instrument of tribal warfare?"

Yeah, just the thing everyone else in line wants to hear when they are jones-ing for their first caffeine fix of the day, right? :(


How is it that every so-called "honest 'conversation'" about race is so one-sided? Is 'honest conversation' the new euphemism for 'snooty condescending lecture on political correctness' these days?


"Racism" is pretty much like any other economic reality: the rich of every race use whatever tricks and tools they have available to keep poor people so busy arguing among themselves that they never stop and notice, "hey, what are we fighting with each other for? we're all poor, and they/I] are all rich."

News flash: Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, Barack Obama, they are all part of the 1%. "Racism" hasn't held them back, has it? :(




Clarification: racism is quite real and quite pernicious. I am not denying it nor minimizing it.

I am merely saying that racism is not "white vs black", simply it is a clever and insidious way for rich people to keep poor whites and poor blacks so busy fighting amongst themselves that they do not even think about banding together based on their common poverty.
 
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You may not be denying it, but you are minimizing it. But that's par for the course for someone who quotes the WSJ and NY Post editorial pages as gospel.
 
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I am merely saying that racism is not "white vs black", simply it is a clever and insidious way for rich people to keep poor whites and poor blacks so busy fighting amongst themselves that they do not even think about banding together based on their common poverty.

Ok then.
 
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This should be entertaining. Where's that popcorn emoji?
 
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That Starbucks garbage is not even worthy of a USCHO thread - and that's saying something!
 
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White guys have names like Lenny, whereas black guys have names like Carl.
 
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White guys have names like Lenny, whereas black guys have names like Carl.

And white guys from the South have names like Coral.
(/walkingdeadjoke)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You did it Dinesh. You called John Lewis a segregationist. Congratulations. <a href="https://t.co/hUxZRQEf1A">pic.twitter.com/hUxZRQEf1A</a></p>— Jonathan M. Katz✍&#55356;&#57339; (@KatzOnEarth) <a href="https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/1151505179914752000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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DeeDee has always been a POS. He just likes to remind us from time to time to keep his Q Score up.
 
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So the 1619 Project is getting coverage today. It's a series by the NYT timed to coincide with the 400th anniversary of the first slaves coming to America. This caught my eye on the Wiki page:

Portugal was granted a monopoly on trade in West Africa and Spain by the Vatican, in the fifteenth century.

Holy ****. I had no idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project
 
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So the 1619 Project is getting coverage today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fox News host showing that preparation and research Fox News is known for: "That slave article ... I didn't read it, but my assumptions are this is part of a greater narrative to paint Donald Trump as racist" <a href="https://t.co/estxteo4uA">pic.twitter.com/estxteo4uA</a></p>— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1163569402463301632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I saw the article from it about the Atlanta Interstate System (moreso any major city interstate system), and it answered some questions I had about Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway after seeing the atlas pages the city uses still shows the original grid system and the only notes that show the expressway going through are the wiring diagrams for the street lighting. It's a trend I have read about recently from Atlanta, to Detroit, to Syracuse. All the same: in an effort to "wipe out the 'blight,'" it was decided to put expressways through these neighborhoods helping accelerate white flight.

I really need to read more of these 1619 Project pieces, as the oft overlooked bits of history they highlight are interesting to me.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fox News host showing that preparation and research Fox News is known for: "That slave article ... I didn't read it, but my assumptions are this is part of a greater narrative to paint Donald Trump as racist" <a href="https://t.co/estxteo4uA">pic.twitter.com/estxteo4uA</a></p>— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1163569402463301632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I saw the article from it about the Atlanta Interstate System (moreso any major city interstate system), and it answered some questions I had about Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway after seeing the atlas pages the city uses still shows the original grid system and the only notes that show the expressway going through are the wiring diagrams for the street lighting. It's a trend I have read about recently from Atlanta, to Detroit, to Syracuse. All the same: in an effort to "wipe out the 'blight,'" it was decided to put expressways through these neighborhoods helping accelerate white flight.

I really need to read more of these 1619 Project pieces, as the oft overlooked bits of history they highlight are interesting to me.

I think Kevin kruse wrote that article.

God he’s good. I need to read that article. It’s gotten some good praise.
 
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I think Kevin kruse wrote that article.

God he’s good. I need to read that article. It’s gotten some good praise.

He did, and he's a goddammed National Treasure for his writing.

How Segregation Caused Your Traffic Jam - 1619 / NYT

Related (from other sources):
Sheridan Expressway in NYC
I-81 Viaduct in Syracuse
I-375 in Detroit
Congress Expressway Displacements in Chicago
Dan Ryan Displacements in Chicago
 
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