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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates

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LynahFan said:
Ok - I agree that's a problem. But if that practice stopped (or were seriously curtailed) wouldn't that increase spending on health care, not decrease it?
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Sure.

Personally I'd rather see these things:

1. Some logical form of tort reform.
2. Some sort of insurance reform that prevents insurance companies from dropping anyone (once you have insurance you should be able to keep it for life).
3. Some way of preventing Emergency Rooms from being the catch all of health care. Health Care in Minnesota actually has gotten smart and set up a number of "Urgent Care" clinics (it's what I use for stuff that's urgent but not emergency) that saves a ton of money. We need the uninsured to use something like that instead of the emergency rooms.

Seems to me those three things would save money, and prevent the horror stories that you hear every day about people going bankrupt due to health care costs. If we're going to have a profit center like insurance companies in Health Care, then we need that profit center to absorb all it's risk. Right now what they do is expand their profit ability by cutting dead weight. Unfortunately that dead weight is ruining real people's lives. That's wrong and it's really what needs to be fixed. But of course that's not what the government is fixing.
 
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LynahFan said:
The problem is that we've been promised health care reform, not the Giant Tax Increase Bill of 2009.
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How are your taxes going up under the proposal in the article? :confused:

LynahFan said:
You mean kinda sorta like there was really no way to know whether we'd be greeted as liberators without just charging blindly ahead and seeing how things worked out? Funny - from many of your posts, I'd assumed you were against that sort of thing. My mistake.
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Nice try, but a bit far fetched. Bush's problem in Iraq is he went in on faulty assumptions trying to solve a problem that didn't exist (WMD's). Is it your contention that health care spending is not a problem, and therefore nothing should be done???
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
2. Some sort of insurance reform that prevents insurance companies from dropping anyone (once you have insurance you should be able to keep it for life).
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I hope you mean preventing anyone who is still making payments on time, etc. from getting dropped.
 
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Red Cloud said:
I hope you mean preventing anyone who is still making payments on time, etc. from getting dropped.
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Correct. Although I do think we need some sort of net for the uninsured citizens. I'm not sure what form that takes.
 
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Rover said:
How are your taxes going up under the proposal in the article? :confused:
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Why is my personal tax situation relevant? I didn't say my taxes were going up.

Is it your contention that health care spending is not a problem, and therefore nothing should be done???
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Well, there are things that I think could be improved, so I suppose that means that in some sense I do see it as a "problem." However, turn that logic around - is it a big enough problem that ANY thing should be done? By definition, the only way that every action is a benefit is if you're already at the lowest point, as bad as it could possibly get. I certainly don't think we're there.

What was that first rule again? "Above all, do no harm..."
 
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If we started from scratch today, would be adopt the existing system? That's essentially what you do every day you do nothing.
 
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Kepler said:
If we started from scratch today, would be adopt the existing system? That's essentially what you do every day you do nothing.
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If we started from scratch today, would be adopt this garbage?

Not adopting ObamaCare = doing nothing. I love how you're nothing more than a parrot.

I'd prefer not to do nothing, but doing nothing is better than doing this.
 
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LynahFan said:
Why is my personal tax situation relevant? I didn't say my taxes were going up.


Well, there are things that I think could be improved, so I suppose that means that in some sense I do see it as a "problem." However, turn that logic around - is it a big enough problem that ANY thing should be done? By definition, the only way that every action is a benefit is if you're already at the lowest point, as bad as it could possibly get. I certainly don't think we're there.

What was that first rule again? "Above all, do no harm..."
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You personal situation is relevant if you termed it a massive tax bill. Why do you say that? Do the taxes of insurance companies truly concern you that much, and if so how long has their plight been on your mind? Again sticking with the article posted, where are individuals paying more taxes?

I don't think we're at the lowest point, but we're heading there as the system is getting too expensive. Furthermore, the political will to take action won't always be there. Now that you have everybody at the table, get something done that expands coverage and tries to reduce costs. A lot of these fixes are common sense (leaving alone for a minute the more controversial items like public insurance). Lets get them done.
 
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This is pretty funny but dead on accurate by Mr. Reid...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25881.html

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Its amusing how these idiot conservatives have overplayed their hand. All they needed to do was sit back, be quiet, and claim they were trying to cooperate, hence their Finance committee negotiations. Keep it Dem vs Dem and reap the rewards. Instead morons starting trying to pack town hall meetings with disruptions instead of just asking questions, and then publicly calling for defeat to "break" Obama.

Now, stupidly, the GOP has set themselves up as the foil for the Dems plans (check out how the GOP is thought of on health care vs the Dems/Obama sometime). With no ideas of their own (Red Cloud summed it up perfectly, he wants something done, unless its Dem sponsored of course) they're only purpose is juvenile tactics and slogans. That would be fine if 1) the country trusted them more on health care than Obama, and 2) they were actually needed to pass something. All they've done now is PO'd Dems and galvanized them to put aside differences and get it done, with or without them. Since you can most likely count on Snowe and Collins anyway, some bipartisanship will apply anyway. By opening their mouths however, you can now expect Dems to come back more united to finish the job than ever (something even a Lamar Alexander acknowledged when he said yesterday that the Dems have the votes they need).
 
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ScottM said:
The feds refuse legitimate claims and applications too.
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Care to explain this? My company is contracted with dozens of VA facilities to contact insurance carriers on unpaid medical claims when the vet has health coverage beyond Medicare. Exactly how do the "feds" deny claims they've never been expected to pay for services rendered at a VA (Federally funded) facility?
 
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Rover said:
With no ideas of their own (Red Cloud summed it up perfectly, he wants something done, unless its Dem sponsored of course)
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You're like a child with his hands over his ears. I've already talked about how there are literally dozens of ideas being supported by the GOP.

And then you go and put words in my mouth. If Obama supported a plan like health savings accounts or health tax credits, I'd get behind him 100%. But oh no - it's just because he's a big, bad Democrat.

Wake up. Pull your head out of your fifth point of contact. If I want talking points regurgitated I'll just watch the smeg that Robert Gibbs emits on a daily basis.
 
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Rover said:
This is pretty funny but dead on accurate by Mr. Reid...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25881.html

:D

Its amusing how these idiot conservatives have overplayed their hand. All they needed to do was sit back, be quiet, and claim they were trying to cooperate, hence their Finance committee negotiations. Keep it Dem vs Dem and reap the rewards. Instead morons starting trying to pack town hall meetings with disruptions instead of just asking questions, and then publicly calling for defeat to "break" Obama.
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We have a huge health care bill that most members of Congress haven't read, and Obama doesn't even know what is in it. So what if it took some right leaning radio and TV stations to actually dig into the bill to see what it says. At least someone is doing it. In its current form, the people most hurt by it will be the middle aged and elderly who currently have private health insurance. Why shouldn't they be upset? Why shouldn't they attend townhall meetings and express their displeasure. Congressmen and Congresswomen are supposed to represent all their constituents, not just Democrats or not just Republicans. Townhall meetings give them a forum for getting input from those they are supposed to represent.

If anything is moronic, its some of the new blurbs put out by the DNC and the likes of Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid decrying the "mobs" that are "storming" the townhall meetings. Give me a break. Mobs? Storming? If the Dems are that afraid of the middle aged and elderly using their 1st Amendment right to speak up at townhall meetings, heaven help us if we happen to get into an armed conflict with another country during Obama's tenure as president.

Personally I'm sick of all the partisanship displayed by both the Dems and Reps. Both sides forgot who they were supposed to be serving long ago.
 
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Bill said:
....Personally I'm sick of all the partisanship displayed by both the Dems and Reps. Both sides forgot who they were supposed to be serving long ago.
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And we continue to return them to office. It is a darn shame.
 
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joecct said:
And we continue to return them to office. It is a darn shame.
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Which is largely the point of these voter revolts that we've been seeing. Uber-nimrods like Rover are just too used to playing the victim to see them as anything but attacks on just THEM, though.
 
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Site of the next town meeting.....

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