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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates

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walrus said:
I'm at alfond right now, oh wait, I'm not really, I'm just saying that. This is what happens when you have at least 3 confirmed user names. I seem to remember one of them in Indiana campaigning for Obama
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If it makes you feel better, you can believe that.
 
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MCFan16 said:
Seriously, can we just shut up about Canada it happens to be home to some of us here..
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Living in the Detroit area now it amazes me just how many Canadians come here for healthcare. Bariatric and orthopedic surgery seems to be two of the more requested items.
 
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What independants think of health care reform

Independent voters, perhaps the key voting group, are more worried about the deficit rising than congressional inaction, 54 - 37 percent. These voters say 59 - 36 percent that overhaul should not occur if it would "significantly" increase the deficit.

Independents oppose 63 - 33 percent passing a bill with only Democratic votes.

Independent voters also don't think Obama can keep his promise to avoid increasing the deficit and pass health care by an overwhelming 77 - 17 percent.
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The Health-Care Wedge

Great article by Art Laffer describing why healthcare costs have gone up so much and how gov't control won't keep costs down.
 
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Priceless said:
Go back and check some of the dates of GBB's posts, and then match that up with where I was at that time. Or do you think I was hanging out at the Alfond instead of at Mass General?
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Maybe you were, and maybe you weren't. I'm not to jhudge wjhat people do witjh their spare time.
 
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WaPo said:
It would expand Medicaid, crack down on insurers, abandon the government insurance option that President Obama is seeking and, for the first time, tax health-care benefits under the most generous plans.
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Ahem. As I said back in post #106:

Me said:
Why not just raise the income ceiling for Medicaid eligibility [instead of having a national health plan] if you're going to do it that way?
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I also love how "controlling health care costs" has morphed into "controlling government spending on health care," which is actually code for "collecting enough additional tax revenue via increased income tax receipts and new taxes on health care benefits to pay for existing costs." Except for requiring electronic billing to reduce some administrative costs, there seems to be precious little mentioned that will have a substantial impact on the total amount that the country spends on healthcare. Not too surprising - it's a lot easier to push the spinach around on the plate than to actaully bite the bullet and swallow it down.
 
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"Crack down on insurers?" What are they doing that needs to be cracked down on? Earning a profit? :eek:
 
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Red Cloud said:
"Crack down on insurers?" What are they doing that needs to be cracked down on? Earning a profit? :eek:
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Refusing legitimate claims. Happens all the time. Happens with homeowners insurance too.
 
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LynahFan said:
I also love how "controlling health care costs" has morphed into "controlling government spending on health care," which is actually code for "collecting enough additional tax revenue via increased income tax receipts and new taxes on health care benefits to pay for existing costs." Except for requiring electronic billing to reduce some administrative costs, there seems to be precious little mentioned that will have a substantial impact on the total amount that the country spends on healthcare. Not too surprising - it's a lot easier to push the spinach around on the plate than to actaully bite the bullet and swallow it down.
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B !tch, b !tch, b !tch, is that all you righties know how to do. :D

Paying for the system is one equally important step as finding the cost savings. In fact they go hand in hand. I applaud tough decisions being made on actually raising funds, and not just saying "oh, it'll pay for itself". Not sure what the problem is here, unless its just complaining for the sake of complaining.

The other important step is finding savings. Drug companies are on board with squeezing prescription savings. Medical industry also pledged billions. Furthermore, more people covered = less uninsured care = less high priced ER bills for the rest of us to pay.

I appreciate the CBO's input in all of this, but the bottom line is you're not going to know the savings until you implement the program. Put this in place, since the changes are being funded, then re-assess how the rest of it is working down the road. Sitting on our hands sure isn't going to solve anything....
 
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Rover said:
Not sure what the problem is here, unless its just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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The problem is that we've been promised health care reform, not the Giant Tax Increase Bill of 2009.

Rover said:
[T]he bottom line is you're not going to know the savings until you implement the program.
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You mean kinda sorta like there was really no way to know whether we'd be greeted as liberators without just charging blindly ahead and seeing how things worked out? Funny - from many of your posts, I'd assumed you were against that sort of thing. My mistake.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Refusing legitimate claims. Happens all the time. Happens with homeowners insurance too.
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Ok - I agree that's a problem. But if that practice stopped (or were seriously curtailed) wouldn't that increase spending on health care, not decrease it?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Refusing legitimate claims. Happens all the time. Happens with homeowners insurance too.
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The feds refuse legitimate claims and applications too. Ask anyone who's been in the VA system, tried to navigate SBA or get an FHA-insured mortgage.

I still haven't seen a stampede of supporters of Obamacare giving up their currrent private plans in favor of some federal "plan".
 
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