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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Better question. Why has extremism become the norm out of presumably educated conservatives? You have Patman asking stupid questions equating insurance coverage to personal liberty. Red Cloud thinking life threatening illnesses of fellow posters is fair game for ridicule, etc. Are you guys really this bitter in real life?
Better question. Why has extremism become the norm out of presumably educated conservatives? You have Patman asking stupid questions equating insurance coverage to personal liberty. Red Cloud thinking life threatening illnesses of fellow posters is fair game for ridicule, etc. Are you guys really this bitter in real life?
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
You sound surprised?
You sound surprised?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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I was hopeful. I'm not always a pessimist.
I was hopeful. I'm not always a pessimist.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
If you're not always a pessimist, you're not a pessimist.
If you're not always a pessimist, you're not a pessimist.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Substitute "your customers" for "the government." If your customers didn't think your restaurant was a ripoff they wouldn't be setting up their own. If your customers can get better, cheaper meals by setting up a co-op that's not run for profit, isn't that their rational choice? If their current choice is either eating at your restaurant or not eating at all, are you saying that the customers who can't afford your restaurant should willingly starve to death?
Substitute "your customers" for "the government." If your customers didn't think your restaurant was a ripoff they wouldn't be setting up their own. If your customers can get better, cheaper meals by setting up a co-op that's not run for profit, isn't that their rational choice? If their current choice is either eating at your restaurant or not eating at all, are you saying that the customers who can't afford your restaurant should willingly starve to death?
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But there are other options out there that ensure they won't starve. They just aren't as tasty as the restaurant.
(why do we always wind up using food for our analogies? )
But there are other options out there that ensure they won't starve. They just aren't as tasty as the restaurant.
(why do we always wind up using food for our analogies?
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Because it beats the heck out of McDonalds!(why do we always wind up using food for our analogies?
GoBlackBears
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
No we stop providing coverage to illegal immigrants who are being counted as part of the 40 to 50 million who don't have health coverage. The Health Care in this country is the best in the world and the government doesn't need to **** that up just like Social Security. The government is going to shut down more post offices since they can't even make a profit delivering mail. UPS and Fedex need to show them how it's done. 300 more people have to be hired to manage the cash for clunkers program because the government can't even manage that small program without screwing it up.
No we stop providing coverage to illegal immigrants who are being counted as part of the 40 to 50 million who don't have health coverage. The Health Care in this country is the best in the world and the government doesn't need to **** that up just like Social Security. The government is going to shut down more post offices since they can't even make a profit delivering mail. UPS and Fedex need to show them how it's done. 300 more people have to be hired to manage the cash for clunkers program because the government can't even manage that small program without screwing it up.
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Another poll:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/05/health.care.poll/index.html
Two things stand out to me: 1) add the 30% who feel they'll benefit from the plan + 44% who feel others will and that's roughly the 70% who think major structural changes are needed. So if people think change is needed, 3/4ths think his plan will help themselves or others, and a small but real majority favor his plan, even after all the negative press, that's not a bad place to be right now.
2) I find it interesting that a majority of people under 50 support, while those over 50 are opposed. It just codifies what everybody knows: the GOP is the party of old people
(and people who aren't getting laid, which explains the conservatives out here - but that's a poll for another time 
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Thoughts?
Another poll:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/05/health.care.poll/index.html
Two things stand out to me: 1) add the 30% who feel they'll benefit from the plan + 44% who feel others will and that's roughly the 70% who think major structural changes are needed. So if people think change is needed, 3/4ths think his plan will help themselves or others, and a small but real majority favor his plan, even after all the negative press, that's not a bad place to be right now.
2) I find it interesting that a majority of people under 50 support, while those over 50 are opposed. It just codifies what everybody knows: the GOP is the party of old people
(and people who aren't getting laid, which explains the conservatives out here - but that's a poll for another time ). Thoughts?
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Nice little discussion over on WaPo:
I am not a fan of the drug companies. But who is taking the easy way out, the patient or the doctor, and how can "White Rabbit" be controlled???
Nice little discussion over on WaPo:
I am not a fan of the drug companies. But who is taking the easy way out, the patient or the doctor, and how can "White Rabbit" be controlled???
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
How is 50% a "small but real majority?" If the government proposed paying everyone $10,000, I bet most people polled would agree that it would "help themselves or others," too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I wouldn't be too proud of that 44%, either. I honestly wonder how anybody could answer "do you think this plan will help somebody?" in the negative - clearly only the hyper-partisans did so. With every change in government policy, there are winners and losers. You could probably ask the question about any generic government plan and still get an overall positive poll response.
How is 50% a "small but real majority?" If the government proposed paying everyone $10,000, I bet most people polled would agree that it would "help themselves or others," too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I wouldn't be too proud of that 44%, either. I honestly wonder how anybody could answer "do you think this plan will help somebody?" in the negative - clearly only the hyper-partisans did so. With every change in government policy, there are winners and losers. You could probably ask the question about any generic government plan and still get an overall positive poll response.
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
The second thing UPS or FedEx would do is raise the price of a stamp (UPS Ground's cheapest rate for a small package traveling a short distance is over $6, if I'm reading their pricing information correctly); can you IMAGINE the collective hissy fit this country would throw if the USPS were to announce tomorrow that the cost of stamps was immediately going to be raised to, say, 75 cents (still much less than it costs to send a letter by UPS or FedEx)?
The first thing a private company like UPS or FedEx would do if they were to take over the Post Office would be to close down a bunch of redundant branches to cut down on costs; I'm not sure why doing something that a private company would do is evidence that the USPS is worse than a private company. (The fact that it took them so long to figure this out probably is, though.)
The second thing UPS or FedEx would do is raise the price of a stamp (UPS Ground's cheapest rate for a small package traveling a short distance is over $6, if I'm reading their pricing information correctly); can you IMAGINE the collective hissy fit this country would throw if the USPS were to announce tomorrow that the cost of stamps was immediately going to be raised to, say, 75 cents (still much less than it costs to send a letter by UPS or FedEx)?
GoBlackBears
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
It's too bad Priceless didn't live in Canada since he wouldn't be alive today if he did. Healthcare wouldn't cost so much if it wasn't for people like Priceless
It's too bad Priceless didn't live in Canada since he wouldn't be alive today if he did. Healthcare wouldn't cost so much if it wasn't for people like Priceless
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Aw, don't be so hard on yourself.
Aw, don't be so hard on yourself.
GoBlackBears
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Whoever left me the negative can go ***k themselves
Whoever left me the negative can go ***k themselves
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
You think that too,eh?
You think that too,eh?
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Seriously, can we just shut up about Canada it happens to be home to some of us here..
Seriously, can we just shut up about Canada it happens to be home to some of us here..
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Priceless
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Go back and check some of the dates of GBB's posts, and then match that up with where I was at that time. Or do you think I was hanging out at the Alfond instead of at Mass General?
Canada sucks!
Go back and check some of the dates of GBB's posts, and then match that up with where I was at that time. Or do you think I was hanging out at the Alfond instead of at Mass General?
Canada sucks!
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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I'm at alfond right now, oh wait, I'm not really, I'm just saying that. This is what happens when you have at least 3 confirmed user names. I seem to remember one of them in Indiana campaigning for Obama
I'm at alfond right now, oh wait, I'm not really, I'm just saying that. This is what happens when you have at least 3 confirmed user names. I seem to remember one of them in Indiana campaigning for Obama
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