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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

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You guys are so whiny, and we have to deal with the liability of our advice as well, just like you guys.

I too have to deal with the liability of any medical advice I give over the phone and am held accountable for it-I just do not have the luxury of charging for it.:(
 
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I too have to deal with the liability of any medical advice I give over the phone and am held accountable for it-I just do not have the luxury of charging for it.:(

You get the luxury of people thinking your profession is honorable while we have to deal with everyone giving us crap. I think it's a fair trade. ;)
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

You guys are so whiny, and we have to deal with the liability of our advice as well, just like you guys.

I too have to deal with the liability of any medical advice I give over the phone and am held accountable for it-I just do not have the luxury of charging for it.:(

You get the luxury of people thinking your profession is honorable while we have to deal with everyone giving us crap. I think it's a fair trade. ;)

I don't. I can lose my house being "honorable"/ you get reimbursed.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Odd that our government is going to force everyone to have health insurance, yet they don't require every able-bodied citizen to have a job......
 
Odd that our government is going to force everyone to have health insurance, yet they don't require every able-bodied citizen to have a job......

If I made the statement it would be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I fully agree in principle.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Is there anybody who thinks the Republican proposal is anything other than an attempt to bleed just enough support away from the Baucus bill to kill health care reform?

Not sure about that, but I think Tuesday's results may be giving a number of Dems in more conservative areas pause about following the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Not sure about that, but I think Tuesday's results may be giving a number of Dems in more conservative areas pause about following the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.

Why? They won two House seats (one a flip, one a hold) on election night? IF anti-health care had any resonance, wouldn't it have shown up in Congressional districts where the people being elected will actually vote on this issue, and not in gubernatorial elections where they won't?

Anything's possible, but I think your comment reflects the pack mentality amongst talking heads right now. If anything to me the direct message of this election is stop screwing around and start getting stuff done, starting with health care (while the economy is a bigger issue, the WH has a lot less control over it). The problem with both states isn't that too many people turned on the Dems. The problem is the Dem voters stayed home.
 
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The problem with both states isn't that too many people turned on the Dems. The problem is the Dem voters stayed home.

No, the independents stayed home or voted GOP, especially in Virginia. And if you don't think the Blue Dogs, and other Dems in conservative areas, aren't even more wary of Obama's policies now you need to spend some time in flyover country where his policies may be made or broken.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Not sure about that, but I think Tuesday's results may be giving a number of Dems in more conservative areas pause about following the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.

You'd think that the lack of fiscal success in running Social Security, Medicare, Cash for Clunkers and just about every other government program would be enough to make any politician balk......
 
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No, the independents stayed home or voted GOP, especially in Virginia. And if you don't think the Blue Dogs, and other Dems in conservative areas, aren't even more wary of Obama's policies now you need to spend some time in flyover country where his policies may be made or broken.

Scott - From Larry Sabato re: Virginia...

Turnout played a huge role in the outcomes in both NJ and VA, with Republicans showing up in droves and Democrats going fishing, at least to some degree. In Virginia, one result of absentee Democrats was the lowest voter turnout for a gubernatorial election in the state's modern two-party history (1969 to 2009). The 2009 turnout of 39.8 percent of the registered voters was the lowest in forty years. Even with all the population growth since 2005, the absolute voter turnout in 2009 (1.97 million) fell below that of four years ago (2.0 million). And the electorate was barely more than half that of 2008 (3.7 million). Astounding.

Does anybody doubt African-Americans weren't engaged in this week's elections? Here's some proof for remaining doubters, in a sampling of heavily black precincts around Virginia. Even though Creigh Deeds received a larger percentage of the black vote (93 percent) than the previous Democratic gubernatorial nominee, Tim Kaine, in 2005 (90 percent), the turnout was miserable for Deeds--more than 10 full percentage points lower. He received many fewer African-American votes than Kaine, despite near-unanimous backing from blacks who cast a ballot.

Also, regarding Dems vs GOP in Congress 2010 from McClatchy:

"Yet despite the criticism toward the White House and Congress, a plurality of Americans (48%) plan to vote Democratic in the 2010 midterm elections, while 41% say that they would vote for the Republican candidate. Just 2% would cast their vote for a third party candidate and 6% are unsure. Three percent do not plan to vote next November."

Will politicians get jittery? Of course, that's what politicians do. However, the amount of Democrats in "flyover country" isn't that great (are there even 10 Dem reps in total in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma), as the Dems gains over the last two cycles have come at the expense of Republicans in New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and the like - states unlikely to want to return to a GOP led Congress. I'll say again, if anti-health care reform was an electoral winner, the candidate who strenuously ran on it (Hoffman) would have won in a GOP district.
 
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Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Not sure about that, but I think Tuesday's results may be giving a number of Dems in more conservative areas pause about following the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.

You would think the leadership would have given them pause months ago...slow learners I guess ;)
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Today's Health Care Quote of the Day.

"I'd love to have every one of your viewers join me so that we can go up and down through the halls, find members of Congress, look at the whites of their eyes and say, 'Don't take away my health care.' "

Guess who said it.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

I understand but have no reference for it-that Ms. Pelosi has said that there will be some additions to the House Bill before the Saturday vote and that these additions will not be added to the online version for all to read. So much for transparency:( The more things change, the more they remain the same in DC.
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Today's Health Care Quote of the Day.



Guess who said it.
Are you trying say she is wrong on some level? That this bill won't eventually cause me to lose my employer provided healthcare plan and force me onto the government healthcare plan?
 
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

Are you trying say she is wrong on some level? That this bill won't eventually cause me to lose my employer provided healthcare plan and force me onto the government healthcare plan?

I implied nothing of the sort. But, if you think your company isn't already thinking of axing your health plan (regardless of whether or not the government takes it over or not) you're kidding yourself.

Mine has progressively gotten worse and worse over the years. Good times and bad.
 
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