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All Things Denver XXXVI

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NHL Central Scouting's Future's List for the 2014 NHL Draft includes DU recruit(2014) Jared Fiegel of Parker.
(From SBNation)
 
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Hey: I see you graduated in 69. You are old. I graduated in 72. I went to the championship game at the Broadmoor. I heard the semi game on the radio and will never forget these words as we are pummeling Harvard: Who does Harvard think they are playing, RPI. If we have to go 35 years between NCAA Championships, we will be watching the next one from a nursing home if lucky.
 
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I am a college lacrosse fan first, college hockey fan second, but love both.

In the lacrosse world right now, there is a lot of discussion (mostly negative) about young players verbally committing to top colleges. At the moment, a handful of 2016's (rising sophs) are committing. The top recruiting camp (Jake Reed Blue Chip) just had their 2017 showcase the past couple days. Every college coach was in attendance. The U15 National Championship in Orlando will be held the final weekend in July and the top college coaches will be there. It's only a matter of time before 8th graders are committing early. Lacrosse fans are making a big deal of this and I kind of want to say - well, every college hockey coach attends the Select 15 Festival, right? Many kids hit their stride late, I get that, but most of the top Select 15 players, are the guys who you want in 4 years anyway, right?

I don't follow the hockey recruiting scene outside of DU and what you guys let us know about various commits, but I do follow NE prep hockey and know that a Nobles player committed as an 8th grader a few years ago. I am less familiar with the AAA Midget / young players in Junior and their commitment timelines, but am interested in understanding it.

Now, I don't intend this to be a conversation about whether it's right or wrong, or about how these young kids end up going to junior, the USNDT program, then college, or even bail for major junior after committing early- I am most interested in hearing what the current timeline is for the top 8th and 9th graders in hockey. Are college hockey coaches commiting 8th graders at a strong rate right now or is the 8th grader from Nobles a unique case?

On another note that I find interesting- the college coaches in lacrosse are beginning to follow hockey (way behind) but commiting kids for either "2016 or 2017" and telling them to PG in the NE prep ranks or come early if their talents are needed in the true senior year. Lacrosse doesn't have the USHL or NAHL option, but NE prep years are about as good as it gets (IE Matt Jones - committed to DU from Kent-Denver, but will now take a PG year in New England). Once an amateur indoor league pops up across the country, college coaches will surely have options for recruits to go to preps or "juniors" for a year before coming to their respective campus (years away from this, but I would guess it's coming).

I know lacrosse is behind, but is it simply following the pattern of college hockey?
 
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thedunker said:
Hey: I see you graduated in 69. You are old. I graduated in 72. I went to the championship game at the Broadmoor. I heard the semi game on the radio and will never forget these words as we are pummeling Harvard: Who does Harvard think they are playing, RPI. If we have to go 35 years between NCAA Championships, we will be watching the next one from a nursing home if lucky.
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I, too, was around in the Magnuson, Morrison and Murray Armstrong years. (but I was a child prodigy:rolleyes:)
As they say like fine wine getting better with age, or in Old Pio's case Crown Royal--wait during the season his vat of crown doesn't have a chance to age:D
 
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thedunker said:
Hey: I see you graduated in 69. You are old. I graduated in 72. I went to the championship game at the Broadmoor. I heard the semi game on the radio and will never forget these words as we are pummeling Harvard: Who does Harvard think they are playing, RPI. If we have to go 35 years between NCAA Championships, we will be watching the next one from a nursing home if lucky.
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My friend Frank Daly's only start.
 
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Szmatula has appealed to the NCAA to the released from NLI at Northeastern. (7/18/13)
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/07/18_northeastern,_szmatula_still.php
(He wouldn't be "transferring" to DU since he isn't a NU student.)

NLI website says contract is with school not coach.
Extenuating circumstance--not really
Should lose the NLI appeal.

1. He can come to DU and pay tuition for a year. Oh, and NOT play and lose a year of eligibility
2. DU can still give him a scholie to practice with team, but NOT play and lose a year of eligibility.
In either case he would be a sophomore beginning his college career just a few months short of his 23rd birthday.

With only 18 scholies available that seems highly unlikely to me. Pios do not have such a long bench filled with walk-ons and boyz on other forms of financial aid that spending $ on a practice player makes sense. And what's to say he wouldn't change his mind again if a pro offer came calling? I think this could set a bad precedent for the program. IMHO it would smell like Coach Monty contacted him knowing full well he has a NLI and could be exposure for some sort of NCAA penalty. Not Good!
 
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Duhockeyfan99 said:
I am a college lacrosse fan first, college hockey fan second, but love both.

In the lacrosse world right now, there is a lot of discussion (mostly negative) about young players verbally committing to top colleges. -I am most interested in hearing what the current timeline is for the top 8th and 9th graders in hockey. Are college hockey coaches commiting 8th graders at a strong rate right now or is the 8th grader from Nobles a unique case?

On another note that I find interesting- the college coaches in lacrosse are beginning to follow hockey (way behind) but commiting kids for either "2016 or 2017" and telling them to PG in the NE prep ranks or come early if
I think Pios have commitment(s) for 2015.
If the Pios were going after 8th graders, why don't we have a verbal from Baker Shore? After all he's closing in on 14.;)
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Szmatula has appealed to the NCAA to the released from NLI at Northeastern. (7/18/13)
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/07/18_northeastern,_szmatula_still.php
(He wouldn't be "transferring" to DU since he isn't a NU student.)

NLI website says contract is with school not coach.
Extenuating circumstance--not really
Should lose the NLI appeal.

1. He can come to DU and pay tuition for a year. Oh, and NOT play and lose a year of eligibility
2. DU can still give him a scholie to practice with team, but NOT play and lose a year of eligibility.
In either case he would be a sophomore beginning his college career just a few months short of his 23rd birthday.

With only 18 scholies available that seems highly unlikely to me. Pios do not have such a long bench filled with walk-ons and boyz on other forms of financial aid that spending $ on a practice player makes sense. And what's to say he wouldn't change his mind again if a pro offer came calling? I think this could set a bad precedent for the program. IMHO it would smell like Coach Monty contacted him knowing full well he has a NLI and could be exposure for some sort of NCAA penalty. Not Good!
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Some of us remember how the NC$$ screwed DU to the wall years ago. And we're not anxious to give those b*stards another shot at us. They might want to retroactively apply another "rule."
 
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vizoroo said:
Szmatula has appealed to the NCAA to the released from NLI at Northeastern. (7/18/13)
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/07/18_northeastern,_szmatula_still.php
(He wouldn't be "transferring" to DU since he isn't a NU student.)

NLI website says contract is with school not coach.
Extenuating circumstance--not really
Should lose the NLI appeal.

1. He can come to DU and pay tuition for a year. Oh, and NOT play and lose a year of eligibility
2. DU can still give him a scholie to practice with team, but NOT play and lose a year of eligibility.
In either case he would be a sophomore beginning his college career just a few months short of his 23rd birthday.

And what's to say he wouldn't change his mind again if a pro offer came calling? I think this could set a bad precedent for the program. IMHO it would smell like Coach Monty contacted him knowing full well he has a NLI and could be exposure for some sort of NCAA penalty. Not Good!
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Some good points. It is my understanding that he has already been turned down once in his appeal. If he is not released from his NLI, I'm not sure that Denver can actually award him a hockey scholarship or that he will be allowed to practice with the team during his freshman year.

As for changing his mind after he arrives in Denver: It's a real possibility given his history. He'll be 22 before he plays his first game, and will probably hear the clock ticking down on his pro career. If he is as good as he's supposed to be, he'll be a two year player at NU or a one year player for the Pios. What a prize!
 
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Ryecheers said:
Some good points. It is my understanding that he has already been turned down once in his appeal. If he is not released from his NLI, I'm not sure that Denver can actually award him a hockey scholarship or that he will be allowed to practice with the team during his freshman year.

As for changing his mind after he arrives in Denver: It's a real possibility given his history. He'll be 22 before he plays his first game, and will probably hear the clock ticking down on his pro career. If he is as good as he's supposed to be, he'll be a two year player at NU or a one year player for the Pios. What a prize!
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Just double checked on the NLI site and yes, he could practice with the team and get athletic aid for the one year in residence. Somehow that does seem wrong, but true. If he really wants to play at DU, get a student loan, pay your way for that year

How to invalidate NLI:
Get a release
Military sevice-2 to 3 years
Junior College--must graduate, i.e. 2 years to invalidate NLI
Think a 1 year Mormon mission could invalidate the NLI. (You probably have to be Mormon:rolleyes:)

Basically if you want to play Division I hockey in 2013-14, you live up to your commitment or get a release or win your appeal which seems highly unlikely based on following your Juniors coach.

"CollegeHockeyRink Report" who writes for SBNation is very positive Szmatula won't attend NU.

Since Coach Monty signed Evan Janssen on that trip to Dubuque, Szmatula was not the purpose of the trip. Coach knew he had signed with NU and no further recruiting was allowed. I am going to to believe Sz was the initiater/instigator of this drama.
 
Old Pio said:
My friend Frank Daly's only start.
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I once went to a party at Mark Gale's house which most players attended. The boys took their false teeth out at parties . Someone put them all in a jar of water so they would have try them on to find their own choppers. Gale's cousin was my friend in NJ, so I got to hang with hockey royalty for a night in 68-69 season. Even a immature freshman like myself could feel the aura of Maggie in the room.
 
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Why is #20 Wade Bennett listed on roster @ the DU website? I thought he had a career-ending injury - or am I wrong and he's going to make a run for it now? By my calculations the following recruits are "status unknown". If someone knows otherwise, please correct me and elaborate:


Chatham
Neville
Pigozzi
Romig
Smith
Ogard
 
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32 Degrees! said:
Why is #20 Wade Bennett listed on roster @ the DU website? I thought he had a career-ending injury - or am I wrong and he's going to make a run for it now? By my calculations the following recruits are "status unknown". If someone knows otherwise, please correct me and elaborate:


Chatham
Neville
Pigozzi
Romig
Smith
Ogard
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Chatham - signed in the OHL, not coming to DU
Neville - coming to DU
Pigozzi - coming to DU
Romig - coming to DU
Smith - coming to DU
Ogard - coming to DU

These 5 players have not signed NLI's as you only sign them if you are going to receive scholie money.

Looks like a mistake on the DU website with regards to Wade Bennett, it also lists him as a frosh. Until all the recruited walk-ons show up on campus the roster won't be complete.
 
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Thanks 78; so let me ask you this @ Beau.... no, he's not a freshman; but he is a DU student; couldn't he , in essence, try out for the team and be considered a "walk on"? Or any student, for that matter? I only ask because I don't know :confused:
 
32 Degrees! said:
Thanks 78; so let me ask you this @ Beau.... no, he's not a freshman; but he is a DU student; couldn't he , in essence, try out for the team and be considered a "walk on"? Or any student, for that matter? I only ask because I don't know :confused:
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He could but his hip is too bad. He is a student assistant coach.
 
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