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All Things Denver-The Real XXXIV

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carltonbarrett said:
It will all work itself out in the end, but you have to wonder if DU would have the same record if lets say they played BC (9-1-0) instead of UML (3-5-1) from HE and had 2 games at MN instead of MN State. DU has also only played 3 road games vs 7 at home and there next 4 are at home as well. DU is no doubt a top 10 team, just not sure if they are the second best team in the country, that's all..
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Have you seen them play? If you haven't...you really shouldn't be running it. Is their schedule lighter than the other two teams in the top three?
I don't deny the point you make later about their winning percentage being inflated by a heavy amount of home games. I view that as being something DU does by design. The WCHA travel load is heavy and easing into it allows for a team to gel early on. DU's non-conference schedule is as competitive as any other team in the nation--6 games, one v BU, one against UNH and a pair against Cornell. UML was predicted to be better--but don't forget six months=two seasons. The other point is that the WCHA has one of the most competitive conferences in the nation (2nd and maybe not even to the CCHA)--nothing compared to Hockey Least and ECAC.
 
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That tough out of conference schedule is all well and good, problem is you haven't played any of those teams yet (i.e. UNH, BU & Cornell). I agree that the WCHA is strong as well, the only problem there though is that you haven't played the other two top teams, NoDak and MN. As for "Hockey Least", I'll let their 4 NCAA Championships in the last 5 years speak for themselves.
 
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Tough loss tonight, DU played terrible except for Jussi. Yale brought their A game. DU drops to #3 in PWR.
 
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MagnessMan said:
My fear is that they'll look past Yale and lay an egg on Friday night. We're riding high right now. Yale is not playing at the level they have played the last two years but they will come in hungry. These games are super important. Let's hope the work ethic and mental focus stays high.
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Yuck--my fears came true. I hate when then happens!
 
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Yale came to play and just had more giddy up from start to finish. They played the body well, had good team speed and had sticks in the passing lanes all game long. Yale was a very good team tonight and, if they play like this all year, should have a pretty nice season. They deserved this win...
 
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Well, I guess any questions I had about DU being overrated were answered last night :D The #2 team in the country shouldn't lose at home to a middle of the pack EZAC team.
 
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carltonbarrett said:
Well, I guess any questions I had about DU being overrated were answered last night :D The #2 team in the country shouldn't lose at home to a middle of the pack EZAC team.
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Nor should the #1 team lose to a cellar dweller anywhere in the country. It happens. Let's see what DU does tonight against New Hampshire before calling them overrated.
 
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carltonbarrett said:
Well, I guess any questions I had about DU being overrated were answered last night :D The #2 team in the country shouldn't lose at home to a middle of the pack EZAC team.
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Silly post. You had no questions. You made it clear that you felt DU was overrated. You didn't wonder. You didn't want any answers (if you had, you might have addressed criticisms made of other highly ranked teams) so there's no need to come in and pretend not to gloat. This is sports; if you want to gloat, go ahead and gloat. But don't be one of those guys who pretends to be uninterested and impartial when you're not. You're not good at that. :)
 
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The only reason I'm rubbing it in your face is the fact that I was called out for even - wondering - if DU may be a little overrated due to their soft, home heavy early schedule. You can't ask a legit question these days without someone being offended. To be honest, I had the same concerns about BC until they beat BU and ND recently.
 
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carltonbarrett said:
The only reason I'm rubbing it in your face is the fact that I was called out for even - wondering - if DU may be a little overrated due to their soft, home heavy early schedule. You can't ask a legit question these days without someone being offended. To be honest, I had the same concerns about BC until they beat BU and ND recently.
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I believe you were primarily called out by SCSU Euro. Fact is, you can't judge a team based on 1 game...especially in November. If DU comes back tonight and beats UNH, what does that say about the Pioneers? What if BC gets beat by Dartmouth tonight, is BC overrated?

In dealing with you, I do have to remember you calling out North Dakota for not having enough goal scoring at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season...the Sioux went on to lead the country in scoring. So, for those DU fans out there, carltonbarrett's kiss of death might just be the best thing that could happen to the Pios this season. :p:D:D
 
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Dartmouth is #1 in the PWR and isn't playing at altitude 2000 miles away from home, so not as big an upset as DU losing to Yale. Again, nothing against DU, actually have liked them over the years, just wondering if they'd be 9-2 had they played a few more games vs the likes of Nodak, MN or BC?
 
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carltonbarrett said:
Dartmouth is #1 in the PWR and isn't playing at altitude 2000 miles away from home, so not as big an upset as DU losing to Yale. Again, nothing against DU, actually have liked them over the years, just wondering if they'd be 9-2 had they played a few more games vs the likes of Nodak, MN or BC?
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Yale is #5 in the PWR. Yale is ahead of North Dakota and Minnesota in the Pairwise. And up until last night, DU was #1 in the PWR.

If Dartmouth (#2 in the PWR, btw) wins tonight, then BC is overrated. Sound good?
 
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carltonbarrett said:
According to USCHO's PWR, Dartmouth is #1 with 28 PWR points and BC #2 with 27. You can check it yourself.
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USCHO calculates RPI incorrectly at this point in the season. BC's RPI should be .6324 instead of .6221 (they are getting punished for a win under USCHO's calculation). That difference wins them the comparison with Dartmouth. Therefore, Dartmouth is #2 in the Pairwise.

You can check it yourself. ;)

EDIT: Actually, they are getting punished for three wins. Talk about a creampuff schedule :p:D:D
 
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Look at it this way, DU has played one, I repeat ONE, top 15 PWR team (Yale) and they lost, at home! If that isn't a enough reason for you to at least consider that they just "may" be slightly overrated due to their schedule, then I guess nothing is going to convince you...
 
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carltonbarrett said:
Look at it this way, DU has played one, I repeat ONE, top 15 PWR team (Yale) and they lost! If that isn't a enough reason for you to at least consider that they just "may" be slightly overrated due to their schedule, then I guess nothing is going to convince you...
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Look at it this way, DU's only two losses are to teams in the Top 17 in the PWR (Top 11 in KRACH). BC's loss came to a team that is 48th in RPI and 45th in KRACH. I reapeat FORTY-FIFTH in KRACH!! If that isn't reason enough for you to consider that BC "may" be slightly overrated due to their schedule, then I guess nothing is going to convince you.

EDIT: BC has 2 wins against Top-20 KRACH teams. DU has 3.

Double EDIT: BC's SOS = 18th. DU's? 9th.
 
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That was the first game of the season on the road at a notoriously tough place to play, breaking in 3 rookie D-men vs a team that had already played a game. Since then, BC hasn't lost and has beat the #8 and #11 PWR teams. Furthermore, DU has played 8 of their 11 games at home. Not sure what your agenda is, but you cannot compare the two...
 
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