Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

[Jimjamesak]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

To present an arguement for using different tiebreakers and to stretch the Governor's Cup back to the entire history of the UAA/UAF rivalry, here's the summary, using Goals scored to break ties:

UAA (19):
1979-80 (8 games to 0)
1980-81 (8-0)
1981-82 (6-2)
1983-84 (2-2, UAA wins on GS 22-17)
1986-87 (5-3)
1988-89 (5-3)
1989-90 (4-3)
1990-91 (3-3, UAA wins on GS 25-24)
1991-92 (4-2)
1992-93 (2-0-2)
1994-95 (1-1, GS tied at 11-11, UAA won shootout)
1995-96 (1-0-1)
1996-97 (2-0)
1998-99 (1-1, UAA wins on GS 7-6) (UAF won shootout that year)
1999-2000 (3-1)
2000-01 (3-0-1)
2006-07 (3-0-1)
2007-08 (3-0-1)
2008-09 (2-0)

UAF (13)
1982-83 (3-1)
1984-85 (4-2)
1985-86 (3-2-1)
1987-88 (4-1-1)
1993-94 (1-1, UAF wins on GS 13-10) (UAF won shootout)
1997-98 (1-0-1)
2001-02 (3-1)
2002-03 (3-1)
2003-04 (2-2, UAF wins on GS 16-14) (UAF won shootout)
2004-05 (2-1-1)
2005-06 (3-1)
2009-10 (2-0)
2010-11 (1-1, UAF wins on GS 6-5) (UAF won shootout)

Few things that spring out: Exactly one result is reversed, 1998-99, via Goals Scored versus using the shootout. There was one dead tie on record and Goals Scored, 1995-96, which I used the shootout to break the tie. UAF got a real slow start at the beginning of the rivalry (2-22 in the first three seasons). John Hill was a horrible coach (still didn't win at all). Goalies in the early 90's gave up a lot of goals (49 in 6 games!, That's over 8 a game!).

Anyways, it seems that Goals Scored may be a useful tiebreaker but I'd still rather see an OT myself.

(I used the whole rivalry to give a better example of using GS to break a tie, more examples to use, and because I was curious at what the count is).

 

[Methodical]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

Thats good info, JimJames.

 

[Methodical]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

On a side note, while the fans at the carlson center for fridays gov cup game were good, it still doesn't compare to the gadowski-era crowds.

I dont know where those people went, but I will never forget how intense the crowd was during that time. I would walk in side tunnels to get to the other half of the arena, and feel the whole building shaking from peoples feet stomping in tune. It was unbelievable, and certainly a highwater mark that we haven't even come close to since. One of those years I remember a USCHO interview of michigans goaltender, and he said that the one arena he hated to go most was the carlson center. The crowds were absolutely unreal. No one was sitting when the team was entering or leaving the ice. Almost EVERYONE was screaming. That was also the time frame where UAF fans would go to the Sully and completely dominate the chants to the point where it was a UAF home game.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

Thats good info, JimJames.

I think it gives a bit more info to all of us brainstorming solutions to avoiding a shootout. Getting a sense of how things went in the past gives us an idea of what to do in the future. And to look at it, ties are not rare but not common only 7 out of 34 years has ended with a tie (20.6%) but with the two game series it's happened 4 out of 7.

As a personal opinion, I would like to see the Governor's Cup record extended to the beginning as it's a bit daft to ignore 14 seasons of history, there is only two seasons where a tie would have to be resolved and using Goals Scored is a sensible one.

As for the future there are a few options:
1. The status quo of using the shootout to break ties, which seems to be unpopular on both sides.
2. The Gold Pan example, if there is a tie then whoever won it previously keeps it. The problem is is that only works with a four game series, with a two game series a team can keep it by winning one game? That's lamer than a shootout.
3. Using an OT instead of a shootout
4. My idea: Use goals scored as the first tiebreaker, if tied still play a 10 or 20 minute OT, if still tied then a shootout.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

On a side note, while the fans at the carlson center for fridays gov cup game were good, it still doesn't compare to the gadowski-era crowds.

I dont know where those people went, but I will never forget how intense the crowd was during that time. I would walk in side tunnels to get to the other half of the arena, and feel the whole building shaking from peoples feet stomping in tune. It was unbelievable, and certainly a highwater mark that we haven't even come close to since. One of those years I remember a USCHO interview of michigans goaltender, and he said that the one arena he hated to go most was the carlson center. The crowds were absolutely unreal. No one was sitting when the team was entering or leaving the ice. Almost EVERYONE was screaming. That was also the time frame where UAF fans would go to the Sully and completely dominate the chants to the point where it was a UAF home game.

Something very akin to the early 90's heyday of UAA.

 

[Suze]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

Something very akin to the early 90's heyday of UAA.

Definitely. Remember when UAA and UA_ used to play each other numerous times a season? I remember fights breaking out in the crowds on occasion when Fairbanks came to town. I still remember the fight between Jimmy Mayes and a UA_ player. Those were intense games.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

I'm not sore about anything. I'm geniunely concerned about where things are going, because they are leading to a level of violence on a mass scale unless something is done.

Oh how awful that might be. To think about a couple of hundred UA_ fans at the Sully getting beaten to a bloddy pulp by hundreds of UAA fans just upsets me to no end.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

Oh how awful that might be. To think about a couple of hundred UA_ fans at the Sully getting beaten to a bloddy pulp by hundreds of UAA fans just upsets me to no end.

Not so much about that as to what the reaction from the Athletic Departments would be when it's plastered around TV and the 'net that their fans are brawling in the stands.

I have visions of people being ejection for yelling anything other than "Go Team!".

 

[Rms123]

Re: Alaska Airlines Governors Cup UA vs. UAA Feb 25th & Feb 26th

I think it gives a bit more info to all of us brainstorming solutions to avoiding a shootout. Getting a sense of how things went in the past gives us an idea of what to do in the future. And to look at it, ties are not rare but not common only 7 out of 34 years has ended with a tie (20.6%) but with the two game series it's happened 4 out of 7.

As a personal opinion, I would like to see the Governor's Cup record extended to the beginning as it's a bit daft to ignore 14 seasons of history, there is only two seasons where a tie would have to be resolved and using Goals Scored is a sensible one.

As for the future there are a few options:
1. The status quo of using the shootout to break ties, which seems to be unpopular on both sides.
2. The Gold Pan example, if there is a tie then whoever won it previously keeps it. The problem is is that only works with a four game series, with a two game series a team can keep it by winning one game? That's lamer than a shootout.
3. Using an OT instead of a shootout
4. My idea: Use goals scored as the first tiebreaker, if tied still play a 10 or 20 minute OT, if still tied then a shootout.

I like your idea about the goal diff. I would rather see a third game, but it won't happen. Playing an extra period right after a game, is basically the same as having a shootout (my opinion).I agree it's more of an "on the ice" way of deciding it, but if either team is being dominated on a particular night (we just witnessed that in both games this past week), it's not really going to be a great deciding tool. Besides a few die hard fans of UA/UAA on this forum, the majority of casual fans really like the shootouts. The CCHA will never get rid of them because of that. I saw a poll awhile back (I forget where), but the over whelming majority of CCHA fans liked the shootouts.....same for NHL fans. So I like goal diff, and if that is tied, then they should just have a shootout. I also wish the games were earlier in the season. Playing these games right before the playoffs really sets up a situation where you can end up with hurt confidence, or worse yet…… a hurt player.