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Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
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GoBullDogsGo
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
I spoke with Satterley myself on Saturday and he indicated that he did have a conversation in the Trainers room with Soik. He said Soik is a "standup guy" and he apologized to him indicating that he was not intending to go after him (Soik). He told Soik that he wanted to get at Smiddy. Soik accepted the apology and said he understood where he was coming from.
I spoke with Satterley myself on Saturday and he indicated that he did have a conversation in the Trainers room with Soik. He said Soik is a "standup guy" and he apologized to him indicating that he was not intending to go after him (Soik). He told Soik that he wanted to get at Smiddy. Soik accepted the apology and said he understood where he was coming from.
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
See - I disagree 100% there. Smiddy was nowhere near the puck when he was hit, and Roman started punching him when he was already down (at least as it appears in the video). Even after Smiddy went down into a turtle to protect himself, Roman still grabbed him to spin him around to try to get a better shot at his face.
That, in my book, IS a mugging, and as a teammate, you can't sit there and wait for the officials to jump in on something that's happening.
If the refs were right there, then yes - let them jump in. But the fact is that this was an offshoot of an incident that was almost behind the play - in a normal fight, refs are there and ready to jump in. In a normal fight, the refs would've jumped in the moment they saw Smiddy hit the ice and try to get down lower on the ice to turtle.
In this case, the refs weren't there because all hell was breaking loose way too fast for them to react. Roman was showing no signs of letting up, despite the fact that Smiddy repeatedly demonstrated he wanted no part of it. Soik was 100% right to go in there to bail out a teammate, much in the same way Satterly was 100% right to go in there and bail his teammate out.
Good to hear Satterly manned up and talked to Soik in person though (and I do find it strangely appropriate that this exchange took place in the training room).
See - I disagree 100% there. Smiddy was nowhere near the puck when he was hit, and Roman started punching him when he was already down (at least as it appears in the video). Even after Smiddy went down into a turtle to protect himself, Roman still grabbed him to spin him around to try to get a better shot at his face.
That, in my book, IS a mugging, and as a teammate, you can't sit there and wait for the officials to jump in on something that's happening.
If the refs were right there, then yes - let them jump in. But the fact is that this was an offshoot of an incident that was almost behind the play - in a normal fight, refs are there and ready to jump in. In a normal fight, the refs would've jumped in the moment they saw Smiddy hit the ice and try to get down lower on the ice to turtle.
In this case, the refs weren't there because all hell was breaking loose way too fast for them to react. Roman was showing no signs of letting up, despite the fact that Smiddy repeatedly demonstrated he wanted no part of it. Soik was 100% right to go in there to bail out a teammate, much in the same way Satterly was 100% right to go in there and bail his teammate out.
Good to hear Satterly manned up and talked to Soik in person though (and I do find it strangely appropriate that this exchange took place in the training room).
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
I don't have much more to add here after being in Florida for four days, but I did wonder where this conversation would end up.
Like I said before, I have nothing against MSOE as a team. However, something about the way Coach Ostapina carries himself on the bench just grinds me the wrong way. I'm not sure I can put my finger on it, but something just.....ugh. I've already established that I'm not a fan of Smiddy, either, but he's a senior and I doubt that I'll see him play against Adrian again, so for now I'll let that sleeping dog lie. I don't think that team is getting past Marian in the semis.
I have one other thing I have to bring up, and that happened in the 3rd period on Saturday, and yes, it's time for me to criticize one of my own. Skelly's butt-ending penalty was absolutely asinine and flat-out stupid. It was away from the play, on the way back to the bench, and harmless (well, about as harmless as a butt-ending could be, I suppose) as it was a small jab that hardly went noticed, but idiotic nonetheless. That was one of those that you just shake your head and ask "why?". In my mind I don't think it warranted a DQ, but if he's going to do something stupid like that, he deserves a major penalty for lack of common sense.
And yes, if we're going to do things like that in the tournament, we're gonna need a bomb squad at the arena because we're going to get our doors blown off. As far as I'm concerned, we'll address that when we get there. We've got two more games to win before we come to that bridge.
I don't have much more to add here after being in Florida for four days, but I did wonder where this conversation would end up.
Like I said before, I have nothing against MSOE as a team. However, something about the way Coach Ostapina carries himself on the bench just grinds me the wrong way. I'm not sure I can put my finger on it, but something just.....ugh. I've already established that I'm not a fan of Smiddy, either, but he's a senior and I doubt that I'll see him play against Adrian again, so for now I'll let that sleeping dog lie. I don't think that team is getting past Marian in the semis.
I have one other thing I have to bring up, and that happened in the 3rd period on Saturday, and yes, it's time for me to criticize one of my own. Skelly's butt-ending penalty was absolutely asinine and flat-out stupid. It was away from the play, on the way back to the bench, and harmless (well, about as harmless as a butt-ending could be, I suppose) as it was a small jab that hardly went noticed, but idiotic nonetheless. That was one of those that you just shake your head and ask "why?". In my mind I don't think it warranted a DQ, but if he's going to do something stupid like that, he deserves a major penalty for lack of common sense.
And yes, if we're going to do things like that in the tournament, we're gonna need a bomb squad at the arena because we're going to get our doors blown off. As far as I'm concerned, we'll address that when we get there. We've got two more games to win before we come to that bridge.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
As for you, Adrian has taken exactly one fighting major this season. As for who we are, you don't worry about that. Just know that a few of us around here know more than you think. I know who most of our Adrian posters are. You're not dealing with a bunch of booger-eaters banging on a keyboard without knowing a thing or two. I'll leave it at that.
As a reminder for the rest of you, please keep your hands inside the ride at all times, and enjoy the rest of your day at Cedar Point. And please don't feed the trolls, either.
As for you, Adrian has taken exactly one fighting major this season. As for who we are, you don't worry about that. Just know that a few of us around here know more than you think. I know who most of our Adrian posters are. You're not dealing with a bunch of booger-eaters banging on a keyboard without knowing a thing or two. I'll leave it at that.
As a reminder for the rest of you, please keep your hands inside the ride at all times, and enjoy the rest of your day at Cedar Point. And please don't feed the trolls, either.
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
For what it's worth, I had the same opinion of NEC, and Ostapina when he was there.
For what it's worth, I had the same opinion of NEC, and Ostapina when he was there.
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
...well, now that the season is over for MSOE, I can tell you the reason Smiddy was turtling in "the incident."
I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, but (long story short) he suffered severe head trauma last summer due to a life-threatening fall. Instead of taking a medical red shirt this year and playing next year, he decided to go for it this year (with medical clearane, obviously) to graduate on time and finish out his hockey career.
Basically, if he would've gotten his head beaten in like Soik did, he could've suffered far more serious brain damage, potentially life threatening. Normal physical contact / normal contact to the head is okay, but anything "out of the norm" like hitting his head on the ice in a fight could have had catastrophic consequences.
Like I said, I have no idea what the back story is / was, but he DID have a legitimate reason to turtle.
...and, end of discussion (from me).
Congrats to Lake Forest for moving on, and good luck to the remaining 4 MCHA teams the rest of the way. Whether it's Adrian, Marian, Lawrence, or Lake Forest, please represent the MCHA well on the big stage.
...well, now that the season is over for MSOE, I can tell you the reason Smiddy was turtling in "the incident."
I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, but (long story short) he suffered severe head trauma last summer due to a life-threatening fall. Instead of taking a medical red shirt this year and playing next year, he decided to go for it this year (with medical clearane, obviously) to graduate on time and finish out his hockey career.
Basically, if he would've gotten his head beaten in like Soik did, he could've suffered far more serious brain damage, potentially life threatening. Normal physical contact / normal contact to the head is okay, but anything "out of the norm" like hitting his head on the ice in a fight could have had catastrophic consequences.
Like I said, I have no idea what the back story is / was, but he DID have a legitimate reason to turtle.
...and, end of discussion (from me).
Congrats to Lake Forest for moving on, and good luck to the remaining 4 MCHA teams the rest of the way. Whether it's Adrian, Marian, Lawrence, or Lake Forest, please represent the MCHA well on the big stage.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
And let's not sleep on Marian, either. Adrian is the only team in the league that put a dent their record. Don't look now, but Marian has reeled off 14 straight, and assuming they take care of Lawrence, they would be going into the MCHA final with a 20-6 record. Coach Wise has done one helluva job there.
And let's not sleep on Marian, either. Adrian is the only team in the league that put a dent their record. Don't look now, but Marian has reeled off 14 straight, and assuming they take care of Lawrence, they would be going into the MCHA final with a 20-6 record. Coach Wise has done one helluva job there.
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
That he has.
When he took over a few years back, I think they had as few as 15 skaters + 2 goalies on their roster for a full season.
That he has.
When he took over a few years back, I think they had as few as 15 skaters + 2 goalies on their roster for a full season.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
And folks, this is why we should get our facts straight before we go banging on the keyboard. Marian plays the PIM-fest that is Lake Forest in the early semi, while Adrian will take on Lawrence in the 2nd semi-final. Come to think of it, 7 of the top 13 teams in PIM/game come from the MCHA.
I still think we're looking at a Marian-Adrian final, not that anyone else is going to be surprised by that.
And folks, this is why we should get our facts straight before we go banging on the keyboard. Marian plays the PIM-fest that is Lake Forest in the early semi, while Adrian will take on Lawrence in the 2nd semi-final. Come to think of it, 7 of the top 13 teams in PIM/game come from the MCHA.
I still think we're looking at a Marian-Adrian final, not that anyone else is going to be surprised by that.
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but I think an end-of-season Marian/Adrian game could be competitive. Lawrence will need a HUGE effort from Johnson to have a chance of getting to the final. The Lake Forest/Marian tilt should be much closer.
The MCHA seasons seem to have three storylines:
1. The gap between Adrian and the rest.
2. The best of the rest.
3. MCHA vs. other conferences.
The endings to 1 and 3 will be written by Adrian and Adrian alone. I suspect that Marian will have the final say with regards to number 2.
Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but I think an end-of-season Marian/Adrian game could be competitive. Lawrence will need a HUGE effort from Johnson to have a chance of getting to the final. The Lake Forest/Marian tilt should be much closer.
The MCHA seasons seem to have three storylines:
1. The gap between Adrian and the rest.
2. The best of the rest.
3. MCHA vs. other conferences.
The endings to 1 and 3 will be written by Adrian and Adrian alone. I suspect that Marian will have the final say with regards to number 2.
bayliner2555
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
My guess would be because Lake Forest has the lowest seed of the remaining teams. MSOE was seeded higher than Lake Forest.
My guess would be because Lake Forest has the lowest seed of the remaining teams. MSOE was seeded higher than Lake Forest.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
MSOE-Lake Forest was a #3 vs #4. Lawrence and Northland were #5 vs #6. They set the first round up that way due to the divisions in the conference. Now that we're at the conference semis, it's based on straight seeding. Adrian is the highest remaining seed, so they will play Lawrence, the lowest.
MSOE-Lake Forest was a #3 vs #4. Lawrence and Northland were #5 vs #6. They set the first round up that way due to the divisions in the conference. Now that we're at the conference semis, it's based on straight seeding. Adrian is the highest remaining seed, so they will play Lawrence, the lowest.
Matthew Webb
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
Sam Kuzyk was named a finalist for the Hockey Humanitarian Award...
Sam Kuzyk was named a finalist for the Hockey Humanitarian Award...
Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
Pot meet Kettle... What's the difference between the "PIM-fest that is Lake Forest" and Adrian? Not much. LF is ranked 2nd (28.4) and Adrian 5th (23.1). Might want to take a look at the top teams and see where they rank in PIM. I'll get you started: Plattsburgh is 72nd at 10.0, Norwich is 54th (13.8), St. Norbert 42nd (15.3), Middlebury 52nd (14.0), Gustavus 57th (13.5)..
Bottom line is the PIM fest that is Adrian or LF won't last long in the NCAA tournament with that type of play.
Pot meet Kettle... What's the difference between the "PIM-fest that is Lake Forest" and Adrian? Not much. LF is ranked 2nd (28.4) and Adrian 5th (23.1). Might want to take a look at the top teams and see where they rank in PIM. I'll get you started: Plattsburgh is 72nd at 10.0, Norwich is 54th (13.8), St. Norbert 42nd (15.3), Middlebury 52nd (14.0), Gustavus 57th (13.5)..
Bottom line is the PIM fest that is Adrian or LF won't last long in the NCAA tournament with that type of play.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
And yet that 28 is about 5 more minutes per game than Adrian has over the season, and at one point earlier they were over 40/game.
And I've been quite consistent as of late that the way Adrian has played as of late will end in an early exit if it continues. If you had bothered to look about a dozen posts below yours, you would have seen that. Of course, that doesn't matter much to you, as all you seem to do is come over here and run your lips, be a tool and a troll. We've come to expect nothing less out of you.
And yet that 28 is about 5 more minutes per game than Adrian has over the season, and at one point earlier they were over 40/game.
And I've been quite consistent as of late that the way Adrian has played as of late will end in an early exit if it continues. If you had bothered to look about a dozen posts below yours, you would have seen that. Of course, that doesn't matter much to you, as all you seem to do is come over here and run your lips, be a tool and a troll. We've come to expect nothing less out of you.
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
You can't have it both ways. When you call out one team in a post, be consistent and call out your own team. If you don't like facts presented to you in a logical way, don't attack me personally, just refute the facts. Plattsburgh's (and most of the other top teams) owe their success to staying out of the penalty box. Of course you can just shout me down when you when the national title.
You can't have it both ways. When you call out one team in a post, be consistent and call out your own team. If you don't like facts presented to you in a logical way, don't attack me personally, just refute the facts. Plattsburgh's (and most of the other top teams) owe their success to staying out of the penalty box. Of course you can just shout me down when you when the national title.
Hammer
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Re: Adrian Hockey 2009-10: A New Hope
Oh, you mean like this?
If Adrian does win a national title you'll crawl back in your hole and never show your face in an Adrian thread again until something goes wrong. I've seen your kind on these boards many times before.
Oh, you mean like this?
If Adrian does win a national title you'll crawl back in your hole and never show your face in an Adrian thread again until something goes wrong. I've seen your kind on these boards many times before.