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A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They exist, but they're statistically insignificant in number, and typically found in the Humanities and Fine Arts departments of local universities.
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And they're all over 60 at this point. Can't even find a commie undergrad anymore. :mad:
 
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You need to send an entire generation to die overseas before the rest become commies.
 
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Kepler said:
And they're all over 60 at this point. Can't even find a commie undergrad anymore. :mad:
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Ever been to Ann Arbor? :p

And yeah, I know what you mean. My sociology prof at MTU, who has since retired, was a legend on campus for his hilariously bitter remarks on topics like marriage (he'd been through two), boats, the war on drugs, capitalism, etc.
 
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Kepler said:
And they're all over 60 at this point. Can't even find a commie undergrad anymore. :mad:
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But what about all the mainland Chinese? They're commies, aren't they?
And the Islamofascists????

But those dangerous Mormons and Christians! My God!
 
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Watched a few minutes of Kelly vs. Colmes on FOX earlier today, the end of which was Colmes stating his opinion and Kelly repeatedly interjecting with, "No, he didn't. No, he didn't. No, he didn't". My 10 y.o. was even embarrassed for her.
 
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How can an entire political party be so dumb that it misses something that was even obvious to George Dubya Bush?

89 percent of Latino voters support President Obama's immigration executive orders
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That's an 80-point split -- i.e., like African-American numbers. To put that in perspective, the Democratic advantage in Latino voting has hitherto been about a 40-point split.
 
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Kepler said:
How can an entire political party be so dumb that it misses something that was even obvious to George Dubya Bush?



That's an 80-point split -- i.e., like African-American numbers. To put that in perspective, the Democratic advantage in Latino voting has hitherto been about a 40-point split.
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So, Republicans are reviled by the left for pandering to their constituent base, but are dumb because they won't try to pander to Latino's to add them to the constituent base?
 
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SJHovey said:
So, Republicans are reviled by the left for pandering to their constituent base
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I can't speak for others on the left, but personally I revile Republicans for the consequences of their policies.

I do like a man who will go down with his principles, however, and I heartily encourage you to continue to inflexibly double down on the righteousness of your party's actions, as more and more people reject them. In the end when it is only you, you will have achieved Perfect Ideological Consistency.
 
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Kepler said:
I can't speak for others on the left, but personally I revile Republicans for the consequences of their policies.

I do like a man who will go down with his principles, however, and I heartily encourage you to continue to inflexibly double down on the righteousness of your party's actions, as more and more people reject them. In the end when it is only you, you will have achieved Perfect Ideological Consistency.
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As I have posted for years on this Board, I think our policy of exclusion and limited immigration in this country is crazy. I have no problem granting complete amnesty to all of those who are already here, assuming they haven't committed felony level crimes since getting here. It's my personal opinion that the need for people to migrate from area to area (country to country, as it were) is a basic human survival instinct.

I just find it amusing on here when I read post after post mocking Republicans or people on the right for proposing legislation, making speeches, voting, making promises, etc..., that "panders" to their hardcore constituency, but then read posts like yours that mock them for not pandering to another constituency.

I think the Republican party, to it's political detriment, has refused to drift with the political winds on some issues. From a political perspective, it is stupid, or at least short-sighted. Whether "sticking to your guns" (pun intended) is admirable or not, hard to say. I think that if sticking to your guns prevents you from taking another look at something to see if you were wrong, it's not a great trait.

But I also don't find a person or political party that goes whichever way will get them elected to be any more admirable.
 
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SJHovey said:
I just find it amusing on here when I read post after post mocking Republicans or people on the right for proposing legislation, making speeches, voting, making promises, etc..., that "panders" to their hardcore constituency, but then read posts like yours that mock them for not pandering to another constituency.
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For my part, I don't really fault the GOP for pandering to its base. That's how the game is played. Obviously it would be A Better World is everybody were smart enough to think through all policies and discuss them rationally, but this is not that world, and elections are won by energizing your core constituents by regurgitating back to them everything they want to hear.

When I get irked about the GOP's pandering, it's because it's bait and switch. The people they pander to are the people who are screwed over the worst by the GOP's actual policies. To be honest, though, having now worked with these people for a decade it's less irksome to me. They're big boys and girls and they neither need nor want my concern. Eventually they'll either figure it out or they won't. Until then, vaya con Dios.
 
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Bump.

There's a great post on my Facebook tonight. It's from a Cornell fan whose grandmother was an illegal immigrant (she blatantly violated restrictions to Jewish immigration) and whose father was, therefore, a 1930's Dreamer.

His father won the Nobel Prize.
 
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Bret Stephens getting rightly roasted for his awful article on immigrants.

But this was pretty good:
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/1835990359

One of the best lines:
It’s a ****ing pathetic act. All of it. It’s a never-ending cycle where a conservative says some horrible ****, gets properly criticized for it, and then goes WELL I GUESS YOU JUST CAN’T SAY ANYTHING ANYMORE! in response to that criticism.
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Reviving a thread start by FreshFish...jesus what year is this :eek: ;)
 
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Handyman said:
Reviving a thread start by FreshFish...jesus what year is this :eek: ;)
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Did he:

1. Volunteer to join the Navy Seals to fight for our country?

2. Change his user name?

3. Fall and not get up in a different room from the computer?
 
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