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A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

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Deja vu.

On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that two previous Republican presidents—Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush—had taken unilateral action to protect undocumented immigrants from deportation, and the political reaction was much less vitriolic than what Obama has faced as he prepares to make a similar move.
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neither Republican congresses or Democratic ones have been willing to touch this issue for ... what ... 40 years? its time something was done. keep families together, reward the hardworking non criminal, get them in the social system and paying taxes. is it me or is this a no brainer? these people are no threat. they want to be here. they want the American dream. next lets build a strong boarder and allow those we want in in and those we dont keep out. we could change the amount of people allow in and out by the needs of the ebb and flow of the employment rates and skills needed.
 
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“With this action, the president has chosen to deliberately sabotage any chance of enacting bipartisan reforms that he claims to seek,” Mr. Boehner told reporters. “And as I told him yesterday, he’s damaging the presidency itself.”
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I don't see either of those two statements being true. So, why does the Bone Man say them? Does he really think it's good politics? Damaging Obama does NOTHING for the GOP right now. He's a lame duck, never to be on another ticket ever again.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't see either of those two statements being true. So, why does the Bone Man say them? Does he really think it's good politics? Damaging Obama does NOTHING for the GOP right now. He's a lame duck, never to be on another ticket ever again.
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There's a funny list floating around of all the times in the past 6 years the Echo Chamber has said Obama is "poisoning the well."

However, when the GOP does crap like hold 60 votes against Obamacare or sues him or arglebargles about impeachment, that's all just fine and dandy and nobody should have a sad...

I will give Obama credit for one thing. Even though it took him 22 months to recognize what we all knew from the start, that the GOP was going to launch a 24/7 assassination campaign against his presidency and never, ever do anything but snarl and look for the dirty trick, the gotcha, and the short term flounce, when he finally did figure it out, he stopped playing their game. And that's why Congressional Republicans are running at something like 9% approval and the 80% of the country that didn't vote GOP in 2014 puts them roughly on par with Ebola.

"We suck less" is not exactly a great campaign slogan, but I think we'll find that in the long run it does beat "We suck more."
 
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Rut roh. My Guilty Pleasure has gone off-script again. Back to Rupert's Re-education Center for her.

(Seriously, as much of a waste of carbon as she is as a sentient being, can anybody honestly look at that photo and not declare that she's the hottest thing to come outta Syracuse since Jim Brown?)
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't see either of those two statements being true. So, why does the Bone Man say them? Does he really think it's good politics? Damaging Obama does NOTHING for the GOP right now. He's a lame duck, never to be on another ticket ever again.
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For the same reasons the Democrats still bring up Bush II, and the Republicans bring up Clinton, and the Democrats bring up Reagan, and on and on. If you can convince enough people he's a failure, and if you remind enough people he was the other party's guy, maybe it boosts you in the next election.

But that's why politics is played by halfwitted, egotistical, greedy, power hungry maniacs. If they weren't constantly screwing up our lives, it would probably be a pretty entertaining reality tv show.
 
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SJHovey said:
For the same reasons the Democrats still bring up Bush II, and the Republicans bring up Clinton, and the Democrats bring up Reagan, and on and on. If you can convince enough people he's a failure, and if you remind enough people he was the other party's guy, maybe it boosts you in the next election.

But that's why politics is played by halfwitted, egotistical, greedy, power hungry maniacs. If they weren't constantly screwing up our lives, it would probably be a pretty entertaining reality tv show.
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I think I put that into context. They have nothing to gain by doing what they're doing. Bringing up Ronnie has done them a lot of good over the years. Bush II can't make a campaign stop anywhere. I get all that. What I don't get is why the Bone Man thinks it makes sense to tell total BS lies that do nothing to progress getting more seats and the White House in 2016 while at the same time do nothing to get us a working immigration policy. It makes no sense.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What I don't get is why the Bone Man thinks it makes sense to tell total BS lies that do nothing to progress getting more seats and the White House in 2016 while at the same time do nothing to get us a working immigration policy. It makes no sense.
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You're overthinking it. Every jab at Obama is a dildo right to the GOP pleasure center. "Obama delenda est" is just whackjob for "Amen."
 
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Kepler said:
You're overthinking it. Every jab at Obama is a dildo right to the GOP pleasure center. "Obama delenda est" is just whackjob for "Amen."
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If that's what gets them off then we're all doomed and how soon can we get Texas to secede?
 
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joecct said:
Isn't the red a bit smaller than what it should be? In reality isn't there a great red swath across the middle with blue on the outside?
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No, the red is The Problem. The rest of the country can stay. Midwestern and prairie "conservatives" are actually conservatives; the South is just the nation's short bus.

There is no problem with conservatism; it's a viable and useful political philosophy. The problem has always been and, until such time as we get rid of them, always will be the Taliban living under the old slave state rocks.
 
Kepler said:
No, the red is The Problem. The rest of the country can stay. Midwestern and prairie "conservatives" are actually conservatives; the South is just the nation's short bus.

There is no problem with conservatism; it's a viable and useful political philosophy. The problem has always been and, until such time as we get rid of them, always will be the Taliban living under the old slave state rocks.
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What about über liberals along the coasts? If you boot one shouldn't you boot the other?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Most of Cali sucks and the whole state is close to bankruptcy, I'd say they're free to go.
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Say what you will, but kicking out the world's 8th largest economy probably isn't going to be good for the rest of the country.
 
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joecct said:
What about über liberals along the coasts? If you boot one shouldn't you boot the other?
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That doesn't follow at all. :)

And seriously, while southern righties go up to 11 on the nutbar scale, the coastal "lefties" of comparable population numbers would qualify as center-right in the rest of the developed world. There is no far left in the US, more's the pity.
 
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