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A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

unofan said:
Funny how you don't trust government to do anything, but now you want it to put in place draconian measures like forced quarantines, medical inspections, travel bans, etc. God forbid poor people get food stamps and might possibly use them to get a cheap steak to celebrate a birthday or anniversary, but now you're wanting the big evil gubmint to shut down everything.

Do you realize how full of crap that sounds?

Shouldn't you be advocating for some free market solution? Wouldn't airlines voluntarily stop people from flying from west Africa because of market pressures?
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Seriously. Does someone pee in your Cheerios every morning?

We know you disagree with FF on his politics. Great. But he just asked a serious question. I don't see that he even suggested a solution, not that there is one.

As for my opinion, I'm not sure there is a real good answer. If the U.S. just implements a ban, like I think some Republicans have now called for, this will just drive the travelers underground. Right now I like the fact that we can quickly figure out where they have been, and more importantly, where their flights originated.

Oddly enough I wouldn't be surprised if free market forces don't play some role. I can't imagine airlines are going to want to take planes out of service and go through the intense cleaning process (not to say most planes couldn't use it) every time someone turns up with Ebola symptoms, to say nothing of potential employee health issues. As this expands, I suspect it's going to get a lot tougher to get flights into and out of these areas.
 
Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

unofun said:
Funny how you don't trust government to do anything, but now you want it to put in place draconian measures like forced quarantines, medical inspections, travel bans, etc.

Shouldn't you be advocating for some free market solution? Wouldn't airlines voluntarily stop people from flying from west Africa because of market pressures?
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Do you realize how petulant and whiny you sound?

People who support limited government have enough sense to realize that there are certain spheres which are the proper and necessary arena for government, and public health is one of them. You don't have competing private sector sewer systems, you don't have competing private sector fire departments, and you don't have competing private sector public health departments.

Naturally in your complaining you again fail to offer anything constructive. You are so adept at criticism and so feeble at anything useful. :rolleyes:
 
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SJHovey said:
As for my opinion, I'm not sure there is a real good answer. If the U.S. just implements a ban, like I think some Republicans have now called for, this will just drive the travelers underground. Right now I like the fact that we can quickly figure out where they have been, and more importantly, where their flights originated.

Oddly enough I wouldn't be surprised if free market forces don't play some role. I can't imagine airlines are going to want to take planes out of service and go through the intense cleaning process (not to say most planes couldn't use it) every time someone turns up with Ebola symptoms, to say nothing of potential employee health issues. As this expands, I suspect it's going to get a lot tougher to get flights into and out of these areas.
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Agree with you that there are no quick and easy answers.

One way that market forces might play a role would be at the boarding of the planes in Africa. I can easily imagine the airlines voluntarily separating passengers with passports from non-African countries into one boarding line and those with passports from African countries into another boarding line, for example, and then seating people in separate sections of the airplane. Then disembark the two groups separately upon arrival.

Not that I'm advocating this solution, I'm just brainstorming at this point. It's a difficult situation all around.
 
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Remember the beginning off Godfather II? Young Vito was quarantined because he had smallpox(?).

Why not the same now?
 
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Does this comment from former Obama press secretary Jay Carney warrant a 15-yard penalty for "piling on"?

I had not seen nor heard of this interview until just a moment or two ago....

I think the substantive actions have to be taken and they may involve, you know, flight restrictions. They may involve moving all patients to specific hospitals in the country that can handle Ebola. And I think those would be wise decisions to make. I'm not an expert, but I think that would demonstrate a level of seriousness in response to this that is merited at this point.
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In other words, is Carney implying that Obama has not demonstrated appropriate "seriousness" up to this point??
 
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unofan said:
Shouldn't you be advocating for some free market solution? Wouldn't airlines voluntarily stop people from flying from west Africa because of market pressures?
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Most of the larger ones have stopped flying into western Africa, haven't they?
 
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It seems to me that if I were a terrorist mastermind looking to recruit people for a suicide mission that would totally disrupt western economies and promote widespread panic, I'd recruit people to volunteer to be infected with a deadly communicable disease and then send them abroad and direct them to contaminate as many people as possible.

If it occurs to me it must surely occur to some of them. Is there any indication that those currently in charge are aware of this potential danger and taking any precautionary steps?
 
FreshFish said:
It seems to me that if I were a terrorist mastermind looking to recruit people for a suicide mission that would totally disrupt western economies and promote widespread panic, I'd recruit people to volunteer to be infected with a deadly communicable disease and then send them abroad and direct them to contaminate as many people as possible.

If it occurs to me it must surely occur to some of them. Is there any indication that those currently in charge are aware of this potential danger and taking any precautionary steps?
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I would guess in some circles yes, but I fear they're not the right circles.
 
unofan said:
Stealing a plot point from a Tom Clancy novel is about as deep a thought as something from Jack Handy.
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Yes I read the novel, but the Islam nut jobs used aerosol there, not human plague spreaders.

Which, IIRC, was done in the past during sieges.
 
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unofun said:
a plot point from a Tom Clancy novel.
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It was actually an NCIS plotline, season 4, episode 13 according to an internet search engine: A terrorist put viruses that can be transmitted through the skin onto lots of dollar bills and then was going to spread them around in a train station. Naturally they stopped him just in time!

Do you seriously think we are ready for something like that?

Even the African countries themselves are limiting travel to and from Liberia Guinea and Sierra Leone as a way to slow down the spread of the disease while they organize their response teams. That's epidemiology 101, no?
 
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FreshFish said:
Even the African countries themselves are limiting travel to and from Liberia Guinea and Sierra Leone as a way to slow down the spread of the disease while they organize their response teams. That's epidemiology 101, no?
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You can't think of any reasons that the response of other African countries might be more aggressive than our own?
 
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GrinCDXX said:
You can't think of any reasons that the response of other African countries might be more aggressive than our own?
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Careful. He's a Free Republic stooge, so he's probably thinking "poor impulse control."
 
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GrinCDXX said:
You can't think of any reasons that the response of other African countries might be more aggressive than our own?
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Because their leaders have a more realistic assessment of the situation, and their response is not constrained by domestic political calculations regarding an election less than 30 days away. The latter is probably a much bigger factor than anyone cares to acknowledge, unfortunately. :(
 
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FreshFish said:
Because their leaders have a more realistic assessment of the situation, and their response is not constrained by domestic political calculations regarding an election less than 30 days away. The latter is probably a much bigger factor than anyone cares to acknowledge, unfortunately. :(
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Pure comedy Gold, Jerry. GOLD.
 
Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

FreshFish said:
Because their leaders have a more realistic assessment of the situation, and their response is not constrained by domestic political calculations regarding an election less than 30 days away. The latter is probably a much bigger factor than anyone cares to acknowledge, unfortunately. :(
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So in other words...







...(wait for it)... ;)










THANKS OBAMA
 
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