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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Kepler said:
Who does he draw from?
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Republican for the most part. But he's planted himself enough towards the center that he's pulling support from Democrats too. A lot of his support is from the grassroots level, which is how he was able to get on the ballot without being in the primary.

The Democratic candidate is just not well known and with airspace and money and resources being gobbled up by the Senate race, he doesn't have much hope. Walker is wealthy enough and has enough support to take on Parnell effectively.

I should note: I went to school with his kids.
 
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St. Clown said:
No, winning the appeal is exactly like a NG finding. You've officially never been convicted once the appeal goes in your favor.
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Appeals aren't over.

Ultimately, though, it depends on how you're going at this.

If you're going at it from the point of view that Perry will never spend a day in jail, then that's a reasonable argument. Personally, I don't think he should spend a day in jail for it, even though I think it's reasonable for his actions to be criminal.

If you're going at it from the point of view that he'll be quickly exonerated, then DeLay is not a good example at all. He was initially convicted by a jury, and years later the case still isn't over.
 
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unofan said:
Iowa's rules say you can't divide counties for federal districts, the populations must be within 1% of the mean for each district, and they must be contiguous.
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Indivisible counties wouldn't work for Texas, where districts need to be sub-county size in Harris county and probably also for Tarrant (Dallas), Travis (Austin), and Bexar (San Antonio) counties as well.

I also think some consideration should be given to whether districts should aim to be more heterogeneous, mixing urban and rural voters, or more homogeneous, with urban, suburban, and rural voters kept together as much as possible. I lean toward homogeneous being better, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Generally speaking, I don't think indivisible counties would work well for any state with large urban areas that are relatively confined to one or two counties.
 
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Rover said:
That means the rest, and particularly larger states like TX, NY, IL, OH, MI, WI, WA, VA, NC need to get on board and let the chips fall where they may as far as who benefits or not.
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Monkeys will fly out of my *** before NY makes any type of meaningful change to the districts. Albany is the most dysfuntional government in the US. It makes Washington look sane. Basically what it comes down to is downstate (LI & NYC) with a couple of upstate cities will be D controlled and the rest of the state will be R controlled. Both parties ***** about it but when deep down they like it that way so they keep their strongholds.
 
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Craig P. said:
Indivisible counties wouldn't work for Texas, where districts need to be sub-county size in Harris county and probably also for Tarrant (Dallas), Travis (Austin), and Bexar (San Antonio) counties as well.

I also think some consideration should be given to whether districts should aim to be more heterogeneous, mixing urban and rural voters, or more homogeneous, with urban, suburban, and rural voters kept together as much as possible. I lean toward homogeneous being better, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Generally speaking, I don't think indivisible counties would work well for any state with large urban areas that are relatively confined to one or two counties.
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For the record, Dallas is in Dallas County. Tarrant County is Ft. Worth (pronounced "Foat Wuuth").

Edit: because I was curious, Texas districts are right around 750K people, and Tarrant has 1.8M people. The most populous county in the US is where I currently live, LA County, which has more than 10M people. If it were a state, it would be the 8th most populous one, and its land area is larger than Rhode Island and Delaware - combined.
 
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MattS said:
Monkeys will fly out of my *** before NY makes any type of meaningful change to the districts. Albany is the most dysfuntional government in the US. It makes Washington look sane. Basically what it comes down to is downstate (LI & NYC) with a couple of upstate cities will be D controlled and the rest of the state will be R controlled. Both parties ***** about it but when deep down they like it that way so they keep their strongholds.
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You bring up a good point, which is why these things tend to happen via citizens initiative petitions. I'm not 100% sure how that works for each state, but I believe CA (notorious for ballot iniatives) and FL (maybe not so much ???) both enacted their laws this way.

Bottom line is, as TX and IA show you'd have to tailor the law to the specific state. That's reasonable. I'd start with Ohio where I do believe the public can go around the legislature to get a law on the books and a crucial bellweather for the nation.
 
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Kepler said:
As a person in the 50-60 age bracket, I think the "Millenials are entitled" meme is silly. Twas ever thus, folks.

“Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Ya know. Your whole angle of everything is always as it has been, which I've seen you trot out on a wide variety of issues, has a vein of truth to it, but you overplay it a good bit.
 
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Craig P. said:
Indivisible counties wouldn't work for Texas, where districts need to be sub-county size in Harris county and probably also for Tarrant (Dallas), Travis (Austin), and Bexar (San Antonio) counties as well.

I also think some consideration should be given to whether districts should aim to be more heterogeneous, mixing urban and rural voters, or more homogeneous, with urban, suburban, and rural voters kept together as much as possible. I lean toward homogeneous being better, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Generally speaking, I don't think indivisible counties would work well for any state with large urban areas that are relatively confined to one or two counties.
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Indivisible counties may work worse in Arizona than pretty much anywhere, as we only have 15 counties in the state. It is a fascinating question as to how to create districts that are fair, however fair is defined. It seems that it's easier to identify the ridiculous cases than what is the best case. I also tend to think districts should be relatively homogeneous, but I can see arguments that can be make in either direction.
 
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Rover said:
You bring up a good point, which is why these things tend to happen via citizens initiative petitions. I'm not 100% sure how that works for each state, but I believe CA (notorious for ballot iniatives) and FL (maybe not so much ???) both enacted their laws this way.
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The only way ballot initiatives are placed on the ballot in NY is when the legislature puts them there. I don't think there is an avenue for citizens to do it.
 
Bob Gray said:
Indivisible counties may work worse in Arizona than pretty much anywhere, as we only have 15 counties in the state. It is a fascinating question as to how to create districts that are fair, however fair is defined. It seems that it's easier to identify the ridiculous cases than what is the best case. I also tend to think districts should be relatively homogeneous, but I can see arguments that can be make in either direction.
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What about using ZIP codes?
 
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Bob Gray said:
Ya know. Your whole angle of everything is always as it has been, which I've seen you trot out on a wide variety of issues, has a vein of truth to it, but you overplay it a good bit.
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It's one of life's fundamental truths.

What is young Jelly thinking, in such a pensive pose? Hard to say. Probably she is thinking about the birds. No, not those crows that just haiku-ed by, but the birds she and her hands are bamboozling down at the lake. Those birds give a body something to think about, all right. But maybe she is thinking about the Chink, wondering what the crazy old coot is up to now, way up yonder on his ridge. Maybe she is thinking about ranchly finances, puzzling how she's going to make ends meet. It is even possible that she is pondering something metaphysical, for the Chink has more than once subjected her to philosophical notions; the hit and miss of the cosmic pumpkin. If that is unlikely, it is still less likely that she is mulling over the international situation--desperate, as usual.
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Bob Gray said:
Ya know. Your whole angle of everything is always as it has been, which I've seen you trot out on a wide variety of issues, has a vein of truth to it, but you overplay it a good bit.
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The $64,000 question is how much is a "vein" and a "good bit."

Same as always?
 
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