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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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St. Clown said:
Why do you not want someone to research the values? What's the point in society having tools and then declaring them not to use? Einstein would laugh in your face at such an assertion.
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Because I wanted you to tell me what you think it is, not have you go look up the answer and regurgitate it. Most GOP talking points still say "trillion dollar deficits" as if that was still happening. In 2009, the deficit was $1.4T (or 10.1% of GDP). Today, the budget is projected for a deficit of $514B (or about 3.0% of GDP). Projections are that we will see deficits of 2.8 - 4.2% for the next 10 years.
 
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St. Clown said:
Why do you not want someone to research the values? What's the point in society having tools and then declaring them not to use? Einstein would laugh in your face at such an assertion.

I seem to remember that the defecit value is projected to be somewhere betwen $600 and $800 billion. These are still projected figures as we're not yet 50% through the year's fiscal budget. As a % of GDP, that's going to put the defecit betwen 3.8% and 5.1%, assuming we don't get a contraction in that time. And the % of GDP is irrelevant at this point as the overall debt is the real killer at this point.

There's a defecit explosion on the horizon again, though.
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Ignore the overall debt over there behind the curtain. Pay it no heed!
 
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While I don't like the deficit, saying its a killer is total right wing BS. Why weren't these same people raising the alarm with GWB squandered the surplus and turned it into a 1T a year deficit which he was nice enough to hand off to whoever won the Presidency in the 2008 election. :rolleyes: Its all talk. Dick Cheney, the Lord of conservatives, is quoted as saying deficits don't matter. 2 years later all of a sudden they do? Gimme a break.

The US is in zero danger of 1) having other countries "call the debt in" or 2) having another currency be the world's reserve. The deficit's main negative effect is seen in the budget as tax proceeds go towards financing it. That needs to come down which I'm completely on board. Thankfully I've voted for the last two Presidents who actually shrunk, and in one case eliminated, the yearly deficit. I'm curious how many right wingers can say the same (Bush II, Reagan, etc).
 
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Rover said:
While I don't like the deficit, saying its a killer is total right wing BS. Why weren't these same people raising the alarm with GWB squandered the surplus and turned it into a 1T a year deficit which he was nice enough to hand off to whoever won the Presidency in the 2008 election. :rolleyes: Its all talk. Dick Cheney, the Lord of conservatives, is quoted as saying deficits don't matter. 2 years later all of a sudden they do? Gimme a break.

The US is in zero danger of 1) having other countries "call the debt in" or 2) having another currency be the world's reserve. The deficit's main negative effect is seen in the budget as tax proceeds go towards financing it. That needs to come down which I'm completely on board. Thankfully I've voted for the last two Presidents who actually shrunk, and in one case eliminated, the yearly deficit. I'm curious how many right wingers can say the same (Bush II, Reagan, etc).
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We had the best setup after the 1996 elections: a moderate president and fiscally conservative Congress. The result was a budget surplus for three years. Unfortunately, the social, knuckledragging wing of the GOP took over and GWB thought CivIII was real and tried to conquer the Middle East. If the fiscal conservatives ever take back control of the Republican Party we have a chance to recapture that. Right now the party is in the hands of the lunatic fringe and nothing good can be accomplished.
 
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Priceless said:
We had the best setup after the 1996 elections: a moderate president and fiscally conservative Congress. The result was a budget surplus for three years. Unfortunately, the social, knuckledragging wing of the GOP took over and GWB thought CivIII was real and tried to conquer the Middle East. If the fiscal conservatives ever take back control of the Republican Party we have a chance to recapture that. Right now the party is in the hands of the lunatic fringe and nothing good can be accomplished.
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And now that it's been essentially proven that the Iraq war had only to do with oil and not WMD's or Saddam we can thank Bush and the Republicans for the enormous loss of treasure so the Cheney family can clean out on their Halliburton holdings.
 
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I look at it this way. By the time Nov 2012 rolled around, the Republicans were still trying to equate the race to the 1980 Reagan-Carter contest which took place 32 years earlier.

So, by my count, given that Bush's last election was in 2004, we get to bring him up in every contest until 2036!!!

You can picture the ads now, with the ominous music in the background and the narrator with the deep voice saying "We can't allow (fill in the blank) to serve out George W Bush's 3rd term". :D
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Oh, look. The Koch Brothers alone massively outspend labor unions on politics. Gee, I wonder who has the "special interest" advantage??

http://www.republicreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kochspending.png
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Candidly, I'm tired of people whining about how much money rich Republicans, rich Democrats, unions, corporations or anyone else spends on political advertising. Anyone who complains about that needs to take a good long look in the mirror.

They spend that money for the same reason that millions are spent trying to get us to buy Miller Light. They do it because there are enough idiots out there gullible to buy the message.

I say to the unions, the Kochs, the corporations and anyone else, spend what you like. As soon as I see a political ad on tv, not only do I not watch it, I turn the channel.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And now that it's been essentially proven that the Iraq war had only to do with oil and not WMD's or Saddam we can thank Bush and the Republicans for the enormous loss of treasure so the Cheney family can clean out on their Halliburton holdings.
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Dead Kennedys had a song, part of the lyrics contain this gem, " making money for President Reagan and all the friends of President Reagan". Substitute any president you want and it remains true
 
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walrus said:
Dead Kennedys had a song, part of the lyrics contain this gem, " making money for President Reagan and all the friends of President Reagan". Substitute any president you want and it remains true
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Sure. Just like the Queensryche lyric.

I used to think
That only America's way, way was right
But now the holy dollar rules everybody's lives
Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies
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SJHovey said:
Candidly, I'm tired of people whining about how much money rich Republicans, rich Democrats, unions, corporations or anyone else spends on political advertising. Anyone who complains about that needs to take a good long look in the mirror.

They spend that money for the same reason that millions are spent trying to get us to buy Miller Light. They do it because there are enough idiots out there gullible to buy the message.

I say to the unions, the Kochs, the corporations and anyone else, spend what you like. As soon as I see a political ad on tv, not only do I not watch it, I turn the channel.
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And I don't think so. This is not just about 'suckers and their money'. There are certain aspects of society that just don't belong together: religion and government for example.

Big money should stay out of running our government...special interest is driving too much of today's legislation.
 
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5mn_Major said:
And I don't think so. There are certain aspects of society that just don't belong together: religion and government for example.

Big money should stay out of running our government...special interest is driving too much of today's legislation.
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Too much? How about all?
 
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5mn_Major said:
And I don't think so. This is not just about 'suckers and their money'. There are certain aspects of society that just don't belong together: religion and government for example.

Big money should stay out of running our government...special interest is driving too much of today's legislation.
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But religion cannot be excluded from the public square. It often acts as our moral compass.
 
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joecct said:
It often acts as our moral compass.
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One can have morals and a conscience without religion. In fact, many religious laws (such as the Ten Commandments) are just basic human decency wrapped up in a deified package.
 
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joecct said:
But religion cannot be excluded from the public square. It often acts as our moral compass.
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Sure it does. Without religion we'd all be killing and raping each other, like all atheists do.
 
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