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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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Here's a fun one:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...nger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html

Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) has gotten in touch with his inner John Galt. Unfortunately, he's not running away and refusing to contribute to society [insert sarcastic giggle here]. Instead he's doing that other thing that the Galt character is famous for: blaming other people for his own failures, just like the rest of the Republicans in the House. Trying to blame Reid for the shutdown (it's not Reid's responsibility to automatically pass any bill from the House that subverts United States law, you dolt!) is just icing on the cake. What a tw.at.

That he feels the need to hassle a park ranger over the closure of parks that HE caused by joining in with his co-horts in refusing to accept the reality of the Affordable Health Care being a law is despicable. It shows all the maturity of an abusive husband yelling "look what you made me do!" at his battered wife.
 
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Priceless said:
What a great idea! :p
(Oh, and corporations didn't used to be people. That's a concept that originated after the Civil War, decided by the same Court that gave us "Separate but Equal".)

The point is, the Democrats aren't doing this. They don't like the decision, think that law is hurtful to the majority of Americans, but aren't throwing a temper tantrum on the floor of Congress.
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The Dartmouth College case was 1819.
And try here for more background... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
 
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As they say in Texas, "Fool me once, shame on me...fool me...can't get fooled again!"

As congressional Republicans attempt to find a way to negotiate themselves out of the government shutdown, many are hoping to revive hopes of a big budget deal.

President Barack Obama and Democratic congressional leaders have said they won’t negotiate until the government is fully funded.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) suggested a grand bargain on the budget during a meeting Wednesday with Obama and congressional leaders but was met with skepticism.

“Everybody laughed at him because they’ve heard this song and dance so many times before,” a Democratic aide told Politico.
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Priceless said:
The nut job caucus:

John Culberson - 7th term
Phil Gingrey, Steve King - 6th term
Louis Gohrmet - 5th term
Michelle Bachmann, Jim Jordan - 4th term
Tom Graves, Phil Fleming - 3rd term
David Schweikert, Raœl Labrador, Thomas Massie, Mick Mulvaney, Tim Huelskamp, Justin Amash, Jeff Duncan - 2nd term
Matt Salmon, Ted Yoho, Jim Bridenstine, Ron DeSantis, Steve Stockman - 1st term
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You forgot the nutjob ringleader. Cruz. King of the Idiots.
 
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Rover said:
I think this only gets resolved by Boner losing his job. Here's how I can see it playing out.

Pelosi should go to Peter King and tell him he has her entire caucuses support for House Speaker for the rest of this Congress. He just needs to find 16 other Repubs to support him. That shouldn't be that hard as the NY delegation ought to be with him at the very least and then he needs to get a handful more. She should even release a letter publically saying so to give the guy some cover. Then King gives it a couple of weeks but the day before the debt limit is reached he needs to go to Boner and say you have until tomorrow morning to pull a rabbit out of your hat. By noon you're out. You need 217 votes to declare the Speaker position vacant and another 217 to appoint someone. Put King in place and get the debt lifted + govt funded, then have him appoint people to go to conference, something the Senate did months ago.

I'm sorry the GOP leader is impotent, but that can't stop the entire govt from functioning. He's had multiple opportunities to end this, but the Teabaggers have him by the balls. That's not going to change and the man appears to have zero courage. That's his problem, not the country's.
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I'm not sure any sane politician would do this, while it would solve the immediate stalemate. At the end of the day King would be speaker with exactly 16 supporters. Once the Dems get what they want, their "support" evaporates. He, and the other 16, would be a pariah in the Republican caucus. I don't see a lot of politicians making that move.
 
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Has the GOP imploded and become two separate parties yet?

I would think the mainstream GOP would be for that: you ditch the wingnuts to their own party, and could potentially reclaim some Repubs who defected to become Dems or some swing Dems who want to switch.
 
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aparch said:
I would think the mainstream GOP would be for that: you ditch the wingnuts to their own party, and could potentially reclaim some Repubs who defected to become Dems or some swing Dems who want to switch.
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Only way that happens is the other way around - the wingnuts become fervent enough to break away from the "too liberal" moderates.

You would think, in a country where U3 unemployment is still north of 7% and U6 is north of 13%, the Republicans would realize that it might be worthwhile to remind the religious right that they are still a minority of the party base, tone down the social conservative rhetoric, and start coming up with a valid economic plan as an alternative to what Obama has offered (which isn't much, so it shouldn't be difficult). THAT would likely get the centrist voters interested enough to swing some votes back, instead of holding their nose and voting Democrat.
 
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Boy I can't wait for the Republicans to drag this on for a while. Just heard it could start affecting state governments that receive some federal funding. My mother was alerted that she is a non-essential state employee and her position will be furloughed if this shutdown goes beyond two weeks (was already given notice by her union)

I work for a contractor for the City of Chicago working on their water mains. If there is federal assistance, my job could be affected.

Weeeeee!
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Only way that happens is the other way around - the wingnuts become fervent enough to break away from the "too liberal" moderates.

You would think, in a country where U3 unemployment is still north of 7% and U6 is north of 13%, the Republicans would realize that it might be worthwhile to remind the religious right that they are still a minority of the party base, tone down the social conservative rhetoric, and start coming up with a valid economic plan as an alternative to what Obama has offered (which isn't much, so it shouldn't be difficult). THAT would likely get the centrist voters interested enough to swing some votes back, instead of holding their nose and voting Democrat.
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It's been my impression of those so extremely religious that they qualify for either the Religious Right or Religious Left that their religious needs/wants trump all other government activity as it's in service to their god(s) and thus ensuring them of a true path to their heaven. This doesn't apply to all of them, but for a number of them it does.
 
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aparch said:
Boy I can't wait for the Republicans to drag this on for a while. Just heard it could start affecting state governments that receive some federal funding. My mother was alerted that she is a non-essential state employee and her position will be furloughed if this shutdown goes beyond two weeks (was already given notice by her union)

I work for a contractor for the City of Chicago working on their water mains. If there is federal assistance, my job could be affected.

Weeeeee!
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The counties that surround DC with all those Federal workers are starting to feel the pinch. Montgomery County is losing $300K/day in tax revenue and I wonder what the state of MD is losing? The MD counties are all democratic strongholds. Sooner or later their going to tell there delegation to get a deal done.
 
joecct said:
The counties that surround DC with all those Federal workers are starting to feel the pinch. Montgomery County is losing $300K/day in tax revenue and I wonder what the state of MD is losing? The MD counties are all democratic strongholds. Sooner or later their going to tell there delegation to get a deal done.
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And the Republicans in Virginia, home to most of the defense spending in the country, will get a pass? Riiiiiggghhhht.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Such insight.
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I'll agree that President Obama is about as BIG GOVERNMENT of a president as we've ever seen (even compared to, say, George W. Bush), and I have serious questions about the deficit, but all the same...

How on God's green Earth is this current situation the fault of anyone but a bunch of petulant little crybabies in the House? A law was signed into effect by the legislature. It was signed by the chief of the executive branch and upheld by the highest court in the judiciary. It's law. And the House cannot change that law without the support of the rest of the legislature and the President, otherwise they would need the Supreme Court to overturn a decision it made very recently. There is no constitutionally possible way for the House to defund Obamacare, yet they refuse to pass a budget without trying to do so and as a result the Government is in lockdown.

To say nothing of the fact that they already did this with the Debt Ceiling issue less than a year ago, and seem poised to do this at EVERY. STINKING. TURN. until the GOP has the Senate and the White House.

Explain it to me as if I were a 5-year-old... how is that anyone's fault but the House majority?
 
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Just got a tweet from a friend at the US Capitol, gunfire reported. He is OK, but reports are a Capitol policeman is wounded. They are in lockdown, Secret Service has secured White House.
 
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