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2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

Old Pio said:
In another context the late Dennis Wolfberg talked about the success of that "statewide IQ reduction program."

Monomaniacs of almost any variety are a huge bore.

On the other hand, you have to dig pretty deep in the compost heap to come up with an Arkansas state representative. Shouldn't there be a minimal requirement here, like jacks or better?
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you don't sleep do you?
 
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

Old Pio said:
Only when I'm reading your posts.
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you're posts are the worst. Literally I don't know what they mean

that's not me trying to be offensive. just a lot of times they go right over my head. Idk if it's beacuse you often allude to things that i've never heard of? or I ate a jellyfish in the summer of 97. but i just don't get them
 
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MUnRPI said:
you're posts are the worst. Literally I don't know what they mean

that's not me trying to be offensive. just a lot of times they go right over my head. Idk if it's beacuse you often allude to things that i've never heard of? or I ate a jellyfish in the summer of 97. but i just don't get them
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Acknowledging how ignorant you are is the first step toward correcting the problem.
 
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

Is there something in the water down there?

The author of a county Republican Party newsletter in Arkansas says that he and other conservatives in the state “most likely won’t try to kill” Republican lawmakers who voted to expand Medicaid under President Barack Obama’s health care reform law.

In the April edition of the Republican Party of Benton County Newsletter, Chris Nogy argued that “this betrayal deserves a quick implementation of my 2nd amendment rights to remove a threat.”

“I don’t feel the same way about the Democrats as bullet backstops as I do about the Republicans who joined them,” Nogy wrote. “We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us [know] that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.”

“If we can’t shoot them, we have to at least be firm in our threat to take immediate action against them politically, socially, and civically if they screw up on something this big. Personally, I think a gun is quicker and more merciful, but hey, we can’t.”
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Slap Shot said:
He wasn't arrested for wearing the shirt, but par for your course. Doesn't mean the school didn't overreact to the shirt, but that doesn't make it ok to distort the story.
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Why do you think he was then? Sleeper agent?
 
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

So I have been wondering what the difference is between trying to regulate voting with bills like the "voter ID" bill, and regulate the right to bear arms with "more comprehensive background checks"?

Both are trying to regulate constitutional amendments. Both are basically asking the person to prove they are protected by that constitutional amendment. For voters, are you a citizen and of the proper age. For gun owners, are you a law abiding citizen of good mental health. Each party seems to be for one and against the other.

Feels a bit hypocritical to be for one, and against the other.

I realize there are other things being tied to the bills, especially in the case of gun control. But I am missing how background checks are infringing on the rights of the people, or how asking for identification to vote is keeping minorities away from the polls.
 
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I'm ok with reasonable, measured checks on both accounts. Agreed it's a little hypocritical if people strongly oppose one and strongly support the other. There are valid reasons for both as long as they are done properly.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
So I have been wondering what the difference is between trying to regulate voting with bills like the "voter ID" bill, and regulate the right to bear arms with "more comprehensive background checks"?

Both are trying to regulate constitutional amendments. Both are basically asking the person to prove they are protected by that constitutional amendment. For voters, are you a citizen and of the proper age. For gun owners, are you a law abiding citizen of good mental health. Each party seems to be for one and against the other.

Feels a bit hypocritical to be for one, and against the other.

I realize there are other things being tied to the bills, especially in the case of gun control. But I am missing how background checks are infringing on the rights of the people, or how asking for identification to vote is keeping minorities away from the polls.
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If someone is being prohibited from keeping or bearing arms on the basis of the background check (and let's face it, they're banning more than non-citizens), then you have, in fact, infringed on the citizen's right to keep and bear arms. When it comes to the polls, the only restrictions against not voting are based upon race (15th), gender (19th), ability to pay a fee (24th), and age (if and ONLY if the person is at least 18 years of age; 26th). This is where the assumption of negative cases comes into play.
 
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

I had a discussion with a relative about Voter ID recently and that is what got me thinking about it.

Their position was, especially in the case of minorities it was another way for republicans to intimidate them and keep them from voting in elections. Also, that the elections were not in general being defrauded by the people, so there was really no need for a further regulation.

My position was, if the ID is free to get and easily attainable to all people, it seems like a pretty low bar to cross in order to vote. Especially if it is simply ensuring age and citizenship. If having an ID is intimidating minorities, it is because of all the things that have happened to them before this, not because of the ID itself.
 
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