FiveHoleFrenzy
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Just watched the UConn goal...Should have been called off-side live, it was that obvious. Good goal by UMD as well.
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2024 NCAA Tournament
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Just watched the UConn goal...Should have been called off-side live, it was that obvious. Good goal by UMD as well.
robertearle
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The list of longest women's games. Assuming no other pending updates from this year, Minnesota-Clarkson clocks in at #7 on the list.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xse3BwhTbx-11Vx-sNHTyLKB0/edit#gid=1518655729
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...xse3BwhTbx-11Vx-sNHTyLKB0/edit#gid=1518655729
Records vs common opponents this season going into the semifinals, Ohio State-Clarkson and Wisconsin-Colgate:
- Ohio State is 2-0 vs St. Lawrence, 4-0 vs Minnesota (1 win in 3-on-3 OT), and 1-1 vs Colgate (win in 3-on-3 OT); Clarkson is 4-1 vs St. Lawrence, 1-0 vs Minnesota, and 2-1 vs Colgate
- Wisconsin is 1-0 vs St. Lawrence and 2-3 vs Ohio State; Colgate is 1-1 vs St. Lawrence and 1-1 vs Ohio State (loss in 3-on-3 OT)
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Team O Tosu 5.3, UW 5.18, Colgate 4.74, Clarkson 3.44
Team D Clarkson 1.21, Colgate 1.23, OSU 1.35, WI 1.58
PP Colgate 35%, UW 31%, Clarkson 28% Tosu 22%
PK Clarkson 92% Colgate 91%, WI 86%, Tosu 84%
Wow, this is really a cataclysmic clash of the Titans here. The only weird things that stick out is Clarkson's goals per game and Tosu's PP% which are pedestrian.
I had no idea the EZAC twin C's were so stingy on D.
Team D Clarkson 1.21, Colgate 1.23, OSU 1.35, WI 1.58
PP Colgate 35%, UW 31%, Clarkson 28% Tosu 22%
PK Clarkson 92% Colgate 91%, WI 86%, Tosu 84%
Wow, this is really a cataclysmic clash of the Titans here. The only weird things that stick out is Clarkson's goals per game and Tosu's PP% which are pedestrian.
I had no idea the EZAC twin C's were so stingy on D.
Hockeybuckeye
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We know OSU had no trouble with St.Lawrence and I felt their struggle with Colgate was in large part to the first games of the season and on Colgate 's home ice. Our girls were simply out of sync not having enough under their belts to get their chemistry. Against the Badgers can go either way. I'd say those early games are less relevant now as everyone has had time to jell and improve so yes, it can be an interesting weekend.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
How do people see the long game on Saturday impacting Clarkson on Friday? There are two similar recent cases I can remember. One was in 2012 when Cornell played a 3OT quarter versus BU, then had to travel to Duluth to play UM six days later. The Big Red started slowly, got down 2-0 in the first, and never were able to get back to even. The next year, the Gophers played a game that was almost as long in the quarters versus UND, and then had BC in the semi six days later. The one thing in UM's favor was that both games were on home ice; they still went two periods without scoring.
Clarkson's situation is more like the latter in that the G.Knights will have fairly minimal travel, although I guess the perspective on what is short/long is different between East and West. What do fans think -- will Clarkson have good legs and energy on Friday?
I know that there are a lot of league tourney situations to study, but those are often different in terms of when the next game is and whether or not the multi-OT game was the only one the team played that weekend.
Clarkson's situation is more like the latter in that the G.Knights will have fairly minimal travel, although I guess the perspective on what is short/long is different between East and West. What do fans think -- will Clarkson have good legs and energy on Friday?
I know that there are a lot of league tourney situations to study, but those are often different in terms of when the next game is and whether or not the multi-OT game was the only one the team played that weekend.
Looking at this from a Clarkson Fans perspective and their record against NC$$ teams vs OSU record against the same teams
SLU----- W6-3 ENG-1
SLU----- W3-0 ENG-1
SLU----- L 0-1
SLU----- W6-4
SLU----- W3-1 ENG-1
Cornell-- L2-3 OT
Cornell-- L0-3
Colgate- W1-0
Colgate- W3-1
Colgate- L0-3 ENG-2
Minn---- T2-2 Reg
Minn---- T0-0 OT3
Minn---- W1-0 OT4
Won 7 (3 Shutouts Full Games) Lost 4 (3 Shutouts) 2 Reg Ties
GF 24 GA 19 (Excluding ENG)
In 11 games they scores a little over 2 Goals per Game and gave up a little under 2 Goals per Game.
On the other hand OSU
Colgate- L2-3
Colgate- W3-2 OT
SLU ---- W11-0
SLU ---- W5-1
Minn---- W4-3 OT
Minn---- W6-5
Minn---- W7-0
Minn---- W6-1
Won 7 (2 Shutouts) Lost 1
GF 44 GA 15
In 8 games they scores a little over 5 Goals per Game and gave up a little under 2 Goals per Game.
On paper this looks like OSU by 3-0 or 5-1. If Clarkson is to pull the upset it will have to be by something like 3-2.
Anne Cherkowski's injury hurts the Knights on offense if she cannot play. Gosling and Winn or both have to figure in the scoring for Clarkson from the blue line to win.
I'm sure Clarkson will not use the Dallas Cowboys excuse that they were tired from the Minn 4 OT win. ;-)
May the best team win (I'm sure in 2014 Minn fans did not think so and in 2017 ask TimA.) ;-)
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Hockeybuckeye
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If you're referring to the fatigue factor I don't think it will have any impact. If you're referring to it getting into their heads how hard it's going to be going against another WCHA team I think it could have a great impact.
Especially when the team they're going against took all four games against the team that just took them to four OT's.
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USCHO didn't have a new poll this week. The USA Hockey/The Rink Live poll came out, however, and it has reverted to following Pairwise for the top 2 teams. It shows Ohio State in 1st, with 11 1st-place votes; and Wisconsin in 2nd, with 8 1st-place votes. This order also resembles USCHO's.
Good question, and I wasn't following yet for the tournaments in 2012 and 2013 that you mention. From men's conference tournament history - maybe not what you were looking for as a comparison - in 2015 Harvard beat Yale in the 3rd game of a series in a 96-minute, double-OT game, and the next weekend the Crimson had the energy to win the ECAC tournament in Lake Placid against Quinnipiac and Colgate. Four OT's may be a different case from that.
From an Eastern viewpoint, the travel is somewhat long. The trip from Clarkson and St. Lawrence to Harvard and Dartmouth is the longest ECAC road trip. But all the teams getting there in advance this week should help. I guess I think that Clarkson will have pretty good legs come Friday.
Good question, and I wasn't following yet for the tournaments in 2012 and 2013 that you mention. From men's conference tournament history - maybe not what you were looking for as a comparison - in 2015 Harvard beat Yale in the 3rd game of a series in a 96-minute, double-OT game, and the next weekend the Crimson had the energy to win the ECAC tournament in Lake Placid against Quinnipiac and Colgate. Four OT's may be a different case from that.
From an Eastern viewpoint, the travel is somewhat long. The trip from Clarkson and St. Lawrence to Harvard and Dartmouth is the longest ECAC road trip. But all the teams getting there in advance this week should help. I guess I think that Clarkson will have pretty good legs come Friday.
I'm with you BowWowWow, I think Clarkson will have good legs and energy on Friday. If it was only a 2 or 3 day turn around, then I'd be worried. The trek from Durham to Potsdam/Canton is 6 hours. I live in Durham and have made the trip a bunch of times. The longest ECAC road trip for Clarkson/St.Lawrence is the Princeton/Quinnipiac pairing, not the Dartmouth/Harvard pairing. But both are a pretty good haul.
I hope to meet up with some fellow posters during the course of the weekend. I've met a few of the 17 over the years ... Crazy Dave, Still Eeyore, TTT, PGB.
Who is making the trip this year?
I hope to meet up with some fellow posters during the course of the weekend. I've met a few of the 17 over the years ... Crazy Dave, Still Eeyore, TTT, PGB.
Who is making the trip this year?
Hockeybuckeye
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I'm up for meeting you there. I'm the Ohio State fan with a white beard but still have brown hair. My daughter accused me once if dyeing my hair but I assured her it's still natural even though she gave it her best shot in her teen years to turn it grey!
osualum86 and pgb both plan to be there as well.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
To me, it seems like a different sport, at least in terms of considerations like these. Men's teams skate four lines, not in terms of balanced minutes, but much more so than women's teams do once you get to the stage where a loss ends your season. Men's games also have checking. On one hand, it makes the game more physically demanding, but it can also be a way to compensate when you're the team that doesn't have jump that day.
There are a lot of examples in the women's game involving OT in league tournaments. For example, in 2020, UMD and BSU played 10 minutes of OT in game 1 of a quarterfinal series, went halfway through the 4th OT on Saturday, and had to play a third game on Sunday. The Beavers had allowed three goals in 10 periods to that point, but they gave up four goals in ~ 10 minutes in one stretch on Sunday. Those games are different, in that both teams are taxed physically, but emotionally, it gets harder and harder to rally after playing so many minutes where one mistake could end your season.
Look at the results for both SLU and UMD on Saturday. Both came off shutout wins on Thursday, then allowed goals 16 seconds and 22 seconds, respectively, into their games on Saturday. Teams spend a lot of emotional energy in long games, focusing on every shift, every play. It can be hard to reset and bring that same intensity, especially at the start of the next game. Think of playing a video game where the speed/difficulty is ramping up and achieving a personal best. If you start another game immediately after, you can make an error on an easy level, because the concentration just isn't the same.
When players are coming off what may be the longest game of their lives, it adds another wrinkle. Personally, I typically find it more challenging to do something that I've never done before then it is to repeat a past experience.
Anyway, I think it might be difficult for Clarkson early in their game, more than late. Minnesota had games this year against both the Golden Knights and Buckeyes where a two-goal, first-period lead didn't stand up. In the case of tOSU, the Buckeyes had taken a lead by 8:24 into the second period. They're just so deep offensively, that you can't take a shift off. I'd guess that Clarkson is the better defensive team under normal circumstances, but I don't think the Knights can afford to fall behind early this time.
Hockeybuckeye
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I didn't pay attention in the Clarkson & Minnesota game, how many lines was Clarkson rolling with?
Though I only watched parts, from stats like who was taking faceoffs, it looked like Clarkson was rolling three lines vs Minnesota. Both they and Colgate are pretty deep teams. Ohio State probably rolled 4 lines more often in the season, though I didn't follow it that much. Agreed on the differences with checking and rolling 4 lines, ARM.
In Clarkson's favor, they are well-conditioned; I've heard, on various podcast interviews, that they do a lot of fitness work.
That's a striking stat about how quickly UMD and SLU gave up goals after their OT games, two days later. Also a good comparison about the tournament with UMD and BSU.
In Clarkson's favor, they are well-conditioned; I've heard, on various podcast interviews, that they do a lot of fitness work.
That's a striking stat about how quickly UMD and SLU gave up goals after their OT games, two days later. Also a good comparison about the tournament with UMD and BSU.
Hockeybuckeye
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Last season Ohio State was going with 3 lines, with this rosters depth it's been 4 lines.
Strength & conditioning is a major part of the Muzzinator's program. Our locker room is in our former basketball arena, St.John Arena adjoining the rink and it's basketball court has been converted to a massive weight & conditioning area for the team.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
It seemed that way from the audio. The Knights lost Cherkowski in the 2nd period due to injury, and she is one of their four forwards who have 30+ points. Kind of an unusual team in that the top two in points are D (who log a ton of minutes).
Hockeybuckeye
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I wonder if Cherkoewski will be out Friday and if so how it will impact Clarkson? Would you assume if she plays she may not be 100%?
Fortunately we don't seem to have any lingering injuries. Some of our girls took some hard shots lately and this is the absolute worst time to lose a player to injury!
Hockeybuckeye
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Leaving in about 6 hours for the 12 hour drive to NH.
It seems coach forgot about inviting me to ride on the team's jet. lol
It seems coach forgot about inviting me to ride on the team's jet. lol
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
The UM play-by-play announcer thought it looked like a lower-body injury, such that she had difficulty getting off the ice. She didn't return to play that I heard, but she was in the postgame trophy presentation in street clothes, which is at least somewhat a positive sign. If it was a fracture or a major knee injury, I doubt she is even out for that. Frozen Fours are a big deal in a player's career, so you want them to be able to participate.
Hopefully you had safe travels Hockeybuckeye. I'll look for you and PGB in the OSU contingent. I'll probably be wearing my Bruins sweatshirt with the big spoked B at the Patty Kaz ceremony.