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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
According to bitecofer:

The New York Times is launching a hit piece against 30 prominent Conservatives including Tucker, Benny, Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro and others in an attempt to deplatform them from YouTube ahead of the election based on so called research by the fraudulent organization Media Matters
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Oh, so everyone who was named two weeks ago as Russian funded assets by Canadian Parliament? The fuck is NYT using, Internet Explorer, to research and type these articles?
 
aparch said:
Oh, so everyone who was named two weeks ago as Russian funded assets by Canadian Parliament? The **** is NYT using, Internet Explorer, to research and type these articles?
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They likely "Asked Jeeves". Like I said they only are printing it cause it won't matter.

BTW the "secret plan" is a rehash of the Contingent Election Scheme only this time if they hold the House and she hits 270 Johnson will refuse to meet and sue for a House Vote and take it to the Supreme Court.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Not all of have been expecting to hear from that coward
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W could come out and say that Kamala is the greatest leader the world has ever seen and that Republicans need to rise up and vote for her en masse, and not one single Trump supporter would change their minds- who cares what that farking old* RINO says?


*old = 22 days younger than Donald Trump. Let that sink in.
 
Handyman said:
BTW the "secret plan" is a rehash of the Contingent Election Scheme only this time if they hold the House and she hits 270 Johnson will refuse to meet and sue for a House Vote and take it to the Supreme Court.
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That plan is dumb enough that it’s probably true.
 
Watching an interview with Matthew Dowd who is a career pollster (mostly GOP including Dubya but some Dems) had some very positive things to say based on the numbers he has seen. Says it is likely Harris +3 or 4 nationally which will line up in the end with how she performs in the battleground states. Went out on a limb a bit and said she will win NC as well based on the patterns of early voting and how it is breaking. I kind of missed some of the specifics but I guess roughly 38% of the people have voted with the GOP having an edge based on registration but Harris leads (according to the poll done) 50-47. This backs up some of the numbers I posted last week and again shows she is doing well with Independents and even stealing GOPers.

psych this part is for you. He then called out the guy in Nevada who you follow. Apparently in 2022 he did the same schtick...GOPers had more early voters and he kept saying this is going to make it hard to win the Senate seat and the Dems are in trouble and of course the Dems won. He seems to have forgotten what elections were like prior to 2022. That doesn't mean he may not be right this time just food for thought.

Dowd is obviously not a Trumper so he might have a bias but he believes (as do I and others) this is not a rehash of 2020 it is 2012 instead. Romney kept it close all the way until election day in the polling but Obama won. He said over and over she has got it we just need to ignore the noise and not let anxiety hold us back.
 
Handyman said:
It was part of the plan in 2020...harder to do this time but the Dems think it is a possibility cause they are talking about it already. (Dan Goldman for example)
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Another plan where there is a great assumption that everyone will buy in fully and participate.
 
MichVandal said:
Done. Glad I'm done, but I wish the ads and calls would stop.
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Most state parties have lists of who has voted. At least in states where voting status is public. They use those votes to remove people from call lists. If you've voted you'll get less calls.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Another plan where there is a great assumption that everyone will buy in fully and participate.
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Honestly if not for the riots...it was going to be close. Cheney and Wyoming were going to say no but I believe they still had a 1 state advantage in the House (1 State = 1 Vote) so you still need another state delegation run by GOPers to defect. That was the whole point of the speech at the Ellipse to put on pressure for Pence to either stall or throw out the votes and send it to the House.

This time is tougher and the problem they have is you need to:

A) keep The House. Speaker Jeffries is the ultimate check so its either Speaker Johnson or bye bye Birdie.

B) You need the Supreme Court to completely throw out The Constitution. Basically in this scenario The Senate is going to confirm even with challenges since Harris is President of the Senate and counts the votes. Johnson will then say "we dont trust we wont even show up" which makes it impossible to count by rule since the 12th Amendment says both Houses must be there to witness. The Senate will sue the House to show up and verify. The House will petition the Supreme Court to throw out the Electoral Votes and send it to the House since the results can't be trusted. The Supreme Court then basically has to decide all of it. Now I think this is one of the worst SCs ever but even I dont think they will basically throw out the will of every voter and overturn everything which is what The House GOP would be asking them to do essentially.
 
Handyman said:
Honestly if not for the riots...it was going to be close. Cheney and Wyoming were going to say no but I believe they still had a 1 state advantage in the House (1 State = 1 Vote) so you still need another state delegation run by GOPers to defect. That was the whole point of the speech at the Ellipse to put on pressure for Pence to either stall or throw out the votes and send it to the House.

This time is tougher and the problem they have is you need to:

A) keep The House. Speaker Jeffries is the ultimate check so its either Speaker Johnson or bye bye Birdie.

B) You need the Supreme Court to completely throw out The Constitution. Basically in this scenario The Senate is going to confirm even with challenges since Harris is President of the Senate and counts the votes. Johnson will then say "we dont trust we wont even show up" which makes it impossible to count by rule since the 12th Amendment says both Houses must be there to witness. The Senate will sue the House to show up and verify. The House will petition the Supreme Court to throw out the Electoral Votes and send it to the House since the results can't be trusted. The Supreme Court then basically has to decide all of it. Now I think this is one of the worst SCs ever but even I dont think they will basically throw out the will of every voter and overturn everything which is what The House GOP would be asking them to do essentially.
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Again, it would assume that enough GOP members would go along with this plan and not show up. Even if the GOP wins the House (and that's a big if), it would only be by a small margin. It would only take like 5 members to just show up and go along with the Democrats to kill the whole plan.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Most state parties have lists of who has voted. At least in states where voting status is public. They use those votes to remove people from call lists. If you've voted you'll get less calls.
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They certainly have a list here in MI- we've been told many times that "you voted last in the 20XX election and we are keeping track if you vote or not". I'm sure it didn't help us that we had absentee ballots and had not turned them back in.

But it won't stop the TV ads.
 
Handyman said:
Watching an interview with Matthew Dowd who is a career pollster (mostly GOP including Dubya but some Dems) had some very positive things to say based on the numbers he has seen. Says it is likely Harris +3 or 4 nationally which will line up in the end with how she performs in the battleground states. Went out on a limb a bit and said she will win NC as well based on the patterns of early voting and how it is breaking. I kind of missed some of the specifics but I guess roughly 38% of the people have voted with the GOP having an edge based on registration but Harris leads (according to the poll done) 50-47. This backs up some of the numbers I posted last week and again shows she is doing well with Independents and even stealing GOPers.

psych this part is for you. He then called out the guy in Nevada who you follow. Apparently in 2022 he did the same schtick...GOPers had more early voters and he kept saying this is going to make it hard to win the Senate seat and the Dems are in trouble and of course the Dems won. He seems to have forgotten what elections were like prior to 2022. That doesn't mean he may not be right this time just food for thought.

Dowd is obviously not a Trumper so he might have a bias but he believes (as do I and others) this is not a rehash of 2020 it is 2012 instead. Romney kept it close all the way until election day in the polling but Obama won. He said over and over she has got it we just need to ignore the noise and not let anxiety hold us back.
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Sorry if I didn’t make this clear earlier, or didn’t even post it because I’m capable of such things, but Ralston has said there’s still a definite possibility democrats can pull it off, just that it’ll likely be under 1% of the vote if they do. He also has said more than once it’s a unicorn election, so proceed with caution. He seems to be shooting it pretty straight to me.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Again, it would assume that enough GOP members would go along with this plan and not show up. Even if the GOP wins the House (and that's a big if), it would only be by a small margin. It would only take like 5 members to just show up and go along with the Democrats to kill the whole plan.
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That isn't how it works. Its not by members it is by who controls the most states. Members dont get votes per say just the delegation. So even if members abstained theoretically as long as one member is there to answer the call it counts. In 2020 it could have worked...now its an uphill climb.
 
psych said:
Sorry if I didn’t make this clear earlier, or didn’t even post it because I’m capable of such things, but Ralston has said there’s still a definite possibility democrats can pull it off, just that it’ll likely be under 1% of the vote if they do. He also has said more than once it’s a unicorn election, so proceed with caution. He seems to be shooting it pretty straight to me.
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Well that is him just hedging because in 2022 in was under 1% with Masto defeating a legacy.

I would say 1% is likely the number, I just think Ralston is too caught up in the early numbers when Dems show, especially in Nevada, that they prefer to show up closer tot he date as opposed to Republicans.

(I got what you were saying, just wanted to point out he got called out specifically)
 
Handyman said:
Honestly if not for the riots...it was going to be close. Cheney and Wyoming were going to say no but I believe they still had a 1 state advantage in the House (1 State = 1 Vote) so you still need another state delegation run by GOPers to defect. That was the whole point of the speech at the Ellipse to put on pressure for Pence to either stall or throw out the votes and send it to the House.

This time is tougher and the problem they have is you need to:

A) keep The House. Speaker Jeffries is the ultimate check so its either Speaker Johnson or bye bye Birdie.

B) You need the Supreme Court to completely throw out The Constitution. Basically in this scenario The Senate is going to confirm even with challenges since Harris is President of the Senate and counts the votes. Johnson will then say "we dont trust we wont even show up" which makes it impossible to count by rule since the 12th Amendment says both Houses must be there to witness. The Senate will sue the House to show up and verify. The House will petition the Supreme Court to throw out the Electoral Votes and send it to the House since the results can't be trusted. The Supreme Court then basically has to decide all of it. Now I think this is one of the worst SCs ever but even I dont think they will basically throw out the will of every voter and overturn everything which is what The House GOP would be asking them to do essentially.
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There is zero chance that Biden, the commander in chief until January, would allow his last act as commander in chief to be allowing nazis to actually steal the election.
 
Handyman said:
That isn't how it works. Its not by members it is by who controls the most states. Members dont get votes per se just the delegation. So even if members abstained theoretically as long as one member is there to answer the call it counts. In 2020 it could have worked...now its an uphill climb.
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No, I’m talking about the “don’t show up” plan. If there’s a quorum the House can be in session.
 
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